AI Says, Self driving cars will make insurance rates for Human Drivers cost prohibitive within 10 years.

[NMNeil]

Self-driving cars will eventually improve overall road safety statistics. Currently, they are in their infancy, but within a few years, they will become a dominant mode of transportation. This will be especially true when "smart" self-driving cars can communicate, alerting each other to the presence of "dumb" non-self-driving vehicles, allowing for safer navigation.

However, there will always be edge cases requiring human drivers. Emergency response vehicles, for example, are likely to be among the last to be fully autonomous, though they could benefit from some level of current autonomy.

The only way it could work is to have dedicated lanes on a highway just for autonomous vehicles.
No computer can react fast enough to counter human stupidity so they would have to be physically separated.

 

[RedJoker]

The only way it could work is to have dedicated lanes on a highway just for autonomous vehicles.
No computer can react fast enough to counter human stupidity so they would have to be physically separated.

Computers can react way faster than humans now. If humans can react to other humans, I'm not sure they'll have to be physically separated.

 

[sodamo]

Yeah, the human vehicles will have a glass windshield.

Perhaps a key to autonomous vehicle acceptance will be lack od windshield preventing occupants from seeing what’s in front, more like a subway car.

 

[E90400K]

Perhaps a key to autonomous vehicle acceptance will be lack od windshield preventing occupants from seeing what’s in front, more like a subway car.

Yeah, so they don't realize they are only going 25 MPH.

Waymo is available in my city but I haven't had the courage to try them yet. Are they safer than Uber/Lyft?

Found: "In other cities where Waymo publishes speed metrics, its vehicles typically operate at speeds well below human drivers — often in the 15–25 mph range in urban environments, with higher speeds on open roads or highways. These speeds are designed to prioritize safety, especially in complex city traffic, and are consistent with Waymo’s 5th‑generation Automated Driving System, which is optimized for detection and avoidance of obstacles."

Buckled in, a 25 MPH crash isn't terrible.

 

[KJRaven]

The only way it could work is to have dedicated lanes on a highway just for autonomous vehicles.
No computer can react fast enough to counter human stupidity so they would have to be physically separated.

in my opinion eventually, all roads will be for autonomous vehicles only... Until then, they are being trained to drive right next to you and me, on public roads, every day.

You can watch the Aurora truck drive for itself, and also see what it sees. I sometimes put these livestreams on while i'm working just to pass the time... this is the latest one. The trucks are really good at handling situations on the highway without human intervention.



"Driverless: On these trips, the Aurora Driver is in complete control. Although a front-seat observer is present and may be visible on the in-cab camera, the Aurora Driver is solely responsible for all driving tasks.
Driverless Development: These trips are also operated by the Aurora Driver, but they include a vehicle operator who can intervene if necessary as they are running on development software and frequently in areas outside of the Aurora Driver's current operating domain."

 

[Luxrage]

Waymo is available in my city but I haven't had the courage to try them yet. Are they safer than Uber/Lyft?

I've been tempted to as they've come to Dallas, but I'd pretty much be down there in a car any time I am so I don't have much reason to other than for the novelty. One got itself in the news for running a red a few days ago.

Edit: to save y'all the time:

 

[E90400K]

I've been tempted to as they've come to Dallas, but I'd pretty much be down there in a car any time I am so I don't have much reason to other than for the novelty. One got itself in the news for running a red a few days ago.

Edit: to save y'all the time:

Left turn from the center lane on red. If there is no driver, who gets the ticket? Just ask'n.

 

[Driven5]

One got itself in the news for running a red a few days ago.

And yet it still manages to have done better than the human driver I encountered earlier today, that jammed up a lane of oncoming traffic after turning down the wrong side (wrong way) on a busy divided road during rush hours.

 

[KevinRS]

Reaction time being faster with an autonomous system is real. If you took driver's ed classes, they talked about time to stop at different speeds, and part of that was reaction time, the distance you go before you even get your foot to the brake. A computer can identify a hazard and start braking before you even figure out it is a hazard, much less start moving your foot.
The issue is in having these systems recognize all situations. That video a couple of posts up, has horizontal signals, definitely a less common system. One thing that would make the programming much easier is standardization of roads, signing, and signals across the country.

 

[E90400K]

Reaction time being faster with an autonomous system is real. If you took driver's ed classes, they talked about time to stop at different speeds, and part of that was reaction time, the distance you go before you even get your foot to the brake. A computer can identify a hazard and start braking before you even figure out it is a hazard, much less start moving your foot.
The issue is in having these systems recognize all situations. That video a couple of posts up, has horizontal signals, definitely a less common system. One thing that would make the programming much easier is standardization of roads, signing, and signals across the country.

Sounds like that would coust a few hundred thousand to implement.

But more importantly, how does the driving AI recognize all the varying road conditions during construction to standardize 4 million miles of road?

 

[Luxrage]

Left turn from the center lane on red. If there is no driver, who gets the ticket? Just ask'n.

Just last week the California DMV opted to start allowing Police to ticket self driving vehicle companies. Up until now... I guess they would just go "oh well" when it blocked an intersection or something.

https://abc7news.com/post/californi...s-allowing-driverless-truck-testing/19000544/

 

[RedJoker]

But more importantly, how does the driving AI recognize all the varying road conditions during construction to standardize 4 million miles of road?

living in an area with a lot of ongoing construction, I can assure you that humans struggle to recognize it too. Just saw an accident last night, followed by the inevitable shouting match between the drivers.

That got me thinking, if two AI cars got in a fender-bender, would they shout at each other? If so, I can only assume it would sound like an old school modem connecting.

 

[KJRaven]

Left turn from the center lane on red. If there is no driver, who gets the ticket? Just ask'n.

When there is no driver, Waymo gets the ticket. The city of Austin recently had a meeting discussing this process, which is complicated and time-consuming. Here is a video of the Austin Public Safety Committee discussing recent events in Austin and how they issue citations to driverless vehicles: https://austintx.new.swagit.com/videos/384367/0/

 

[E90400K]

Just last week the California DMV opted to start allowing Police to ticket self driving vehicle companies. Up until now... I guess they would just go "oh well" when it blocked an intersection or something.

https://abc7news.com/post/californi...s-allowing-driverless-truck-testing/19000544/

Thanks for posting the article.

"Phil Koopman, an expert in self-driving car safety and an emeritus professor at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, said the real impact will depend on how the information from citations is used. The reality is that even a several-hundred-dollar ticket fine doesn't mean much to a big company, and so, you can argue that just keeping score is enough to motivate the company to do the right thing. There's some validity to that argument. So, whether it's a fine or it's just some bookkeeping isn't really the point. The point is what happens."

Really? You need to be an emeritus professor from Carnegie to figure that out? The tickets are meaningless. They'll increase the insurance rates on the humans for not getting out of the way of the autonomous cars.

 

[E90400K]

living in an area with a lot of ongoing construction, I can assure you that humans struggle to recognize it too. Just saw an accident last night, followed by the inevitable shouting match between the drivers.

That got me thinking, if two AI cars got in a fender-bender, would they shout at each other? If so, I can only assume it would sound like an old school modem connecting.

Maybe they'll equip them with .45 cal. automatic pistols so there can be a shootout; just like real humans would have.