Does the current spike in fuel prices increase the appeal of the Slate?

[CorvusCorvax]

You can drop the condescending attitude; you not smarter than anyone else nor more enlightened. But to reiterate, I never said my (politically-based) argument was about forcing EV on Americans. I said an argument can be made that the EV decision (was made for us.

Your intellectual insecurity is not my problem. Since I have never publically claimed anywhere that I am "smarter" than anyone else, that's all on you.

I'll let others draw their own conclusions.

No, no rational argument can be made that EVs were forced on us, chosen for us, nor any of the other verbs you might want to use. Considering the very active propaganda campaign against EVs, it is not surprising that some people would repeat the disinformation like you have here. Once you examine the economics of it, it's easy to see how EVs came to be the alternative to ICEVs.

Nobody forced me to put my $50 in, nobody whispered into my ear that I needed to change my commuter vehicle's energy source, nobody twisted my arm to choose Slate after a lifetime of ICEVs. Slate is offering a compelling product at a reasonable price that fulfills at least two automotive needs. That smells a whole lot like capitalism and freedom.

 

[CorvusCorvax]

Hey, no worries good man! It’s not my claim.

Someone else linked it for you - hopefully that shuts up the barking from the wharf.

 

[GaRailroader]

Has anyone heard from @AZFox ?

I sent him a DM a couple of weeks ago and I didn’t get a response. Hopefully all is ok with him/her.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Someone else linked it for you - hopefully that shuts up the barking from the wharf.

Hey, again - no worries. If you can't back up your own claims...

I'll let others draw their own conclusions.

Will do!

 

[bloo]

Has anyone heard from @AZFox ?

Oh wow... hope she/he is okay.

 

[E90400K]

And that's what you're missing. There's no argument to be made about government "forcing" EVs on anyone. It simply hasn't happened. Your choice of weasel words in the sentence I bolded bears that out.

Contrast that with my direct statements: high fuel prices have been forced on us, high fuel prices are hurting us, "temporary" high fuel prices have permanent effects. I don't need to weasel in vague "an argument can be made" qualifier. That's coz there's nothing to argue about.

People around the world are suffering for a choice they had no part in making. Some of them are family and friends. They didn't ask for this.

My US customers didn't ask for it, either. A lot of them are startups in the industrial BEV space. More than a year of EV hate plus one foolish decision is killing them. If too many of them go, so does my job.

No weasel words. The decision to promote BEV as a solution (or um, partial solution) to the perceived threat of anthropogenic climate change was made by politicians (i.e. "made for us"), which is just as sure a claim that the current Iranian conflict (and resultant temporary price increase of petroleum fuels) was "made for us by one man" (i.e. the current Executive Branch Administration). Gasoline purchase is not forced on anyone just as much as EV purchases are not forced on anyone...

 

[bloo]

No weasel words. The decision to promote BEV as a solution (or um, partial solution) to the perceived threat of anthropogenic climate change was made by politicians (i.e. "made for us"), which is just as sure a claim that the current Iranian conflict (and resultant temporary price increase of petroleum fuels) was "made for us by one man" (i.e. the current Executive Branch Administration).

There's a whopping difference between a decision "to promote BEV as a [partial] solution" and the decision "made for us by one man." One of those cost us nothing. The other is costing us plenty, and the effects will hurt us for years to come.

About climate change... the science is nearly settled on that. This guy explains it extremely well...

A timeline of the Earth's average temperature.

Gasoline purchase is not forced on anyone just as much as EV purchases are not forced on anyone...

I've a 40-mile commute one way. Why don't you try doing it without fossil fuels. There are no buses that drive anywhere near my home, either. Yet if there were, I'd be paying the increased fares brought on by higher fuel costs. Like it or not, fossil fuel drives the economy. We don't have a choice. Someday we will. I'm getting a head start with my Slate (if the soured economy gives them a choice to sell me one).

One other thing I noticed in your retorts. You never engage a salient point I always bring up - how all of this hurts the poor. Not everyone has the same ability you and I have to endure this "temporary" crisis. I care about that. Do you?

EtA: climate change info.

 

[E90400K]

There's a whopping difference between a decision "to promote BEV as a [partial] solution" and the decision "made for us by one man." One of those cost us nothing. The other is costing us plenty, and the effects will hurt us for years to come.

About climate change... the science is nearly settled on that. This guy explains it extremely well...

A timeline of the Earth's average temperature.



I've a 40-mile commute one way. Why don't you try doing it without fossil fuels. There are no buses that drive anywhere near my home, either. Yet if there were, I'd be paying the increased fares brought on by higher fuel costs. Like it or not, fossil fuel drives the economy. We don't have a choice. Someday we will. I'm getting a head start with my Slate (if the soured economy gives them a choice to sell me one).

One other thing I noticed in your retorts. You never engage a salient point I always bring up - how all of this hurts the poor. Not everyone has the same ability you and I have to endure this "temporary" crisis. I care about that. Do you?

EtA: climate change info.

No, I don't.

 

[CorvusCorvax]

I don't.

That tracks.

 

[E90400K]

Yes. The onboard computer on BMWs (and most other ICE vehicles for sure) triggers service warnings via a CBS (conditions based service) protocol, meaning it’s both mileage and elapsed time. So if it’s a second vehicle that’s not a daily driver, oil change warnings appear at 12 month intervals even if you only have 800 miles since your last oil change. And all the gongs, warning messages and triangle lights are just plain annoying. What’s worse, you cannot reset the warnings unless you visit the dealer (cost for that) or use o BMW specific coding tool (Bluetooth adapter and app download. Invoking the diagnostics mode gives you the error: “oil reset impossible.” I’m sure others in this community have similar experiences.

The Slate will free us from all this nonsense!

I checked with some other BMW owners of 2020+ model years. The CBS can still be reset via the left-side stalk buttons. Good to know.

 

[cadblu]

I checked with some other BMW owners of 2020+ model years. The CBS can still be reset via the left-side stalk buttons. Good to know.

Correct. In fact, I was able to reset brake service using the BC stalk button as the fluid was changed only 18 months ago. But the engine oil reset at 12 months is tagged as “impossible.” That’s the exact message displayed on the display. I don’t appreciate the word impossible. Time to break out that scanning tool 😀.

 

[Susan]

I sent him a DM a couple of weeks ago and I didn’t get a response. Hopefully all is ok with him/her.

I was wondering that myself. They're missed.

 

[E90400K]

Correct. In fact, I was able to reset brake service using the BC stalk button as the fluid was changed only 18 months ago. But the engine oil reset at 12 months is tagged as “impossible.” That’s the exact message displayed on the display. I don’t appreciate the word impossible. Time to break out that scanning tool 😀.

That's quite interesting!

 

[SparkYellow]

What are we supposed to do when our friends are arguing? The only thing I can do is say something stupid so they will unite and come at me instead. 🤷

 

[SparkYellow]

I was wondering that myself. They're missed.

If we start a poll, maybe he/she will come back. Something like "where has AZFox gone?"
1. Went after R2.
2. Bought a Maverick.
3. Bought a Bolt.
4. Partner says no truck.
5. Got hired by Slate.
6. Got hired by Lucid.
7. Still mad after the march argument.
8. ...

Geeze I don't know him/her that well.