New Toyota Hilux: This Is Toyota's First Electric Pickup Truck

[Dorbiman]

Footprint is the area enclosed by the points where the four tires touch the ground. It's the wheelbase multiplied by the average track width.

Yup. My point is that increasing length + width but maintaining the same height would result in some goofy proportions. By continuing to increase track width and length, the designers almost inevitably have to increase the height to maintain the same shape. What results is a comically tall vehicle.

So to qualify for the less stringent targets, they increase the length + width. To compensate for the larger footprint, the height increases as well to maintain the profile. But this is conjecture on my part, for sure.

 

[Paul]

It irks me that the EV still has the massive American-truck style nose. If it was priced right though, I could see it being a hit. The single cab with the 6' bed looks good

Irks me that every truck has a mass of American style nose on it. The Maverick tries to but it's just small enough that it can't be massive. It's like let's see how non-aerodynamic and a death trap to pedestrians we can make this thing. Bigger the better!

 

[KevinRS]

At the point hoods have reached, pedestrians can't be a reason, they have reached a point where the driver might need a grill camera to see a pedestrian in the crosswalk the truck is stopped at.
I think I miscalculated the tailgate heights, 2 feet seems to be the low end now, some seem to be approaching 3 feet.
It's not just masculine compensation with size of vehicles though, they've also been marketed as "bigger = safer" for women.
Bigger = safer is a problem, because there is always going to be something bigger, until everyone is driving something like a semi to the grocery store.

 

[E90400K]

Irks me that every truck has a mass of American style nose on it. The Maverick tries to but it's just small enough that it can't be massive. It's like let's see how non-aerodynamic and a death trap to pedestrians we can make this thing. Bigger the better!

I figured out the solution to that problem a long time ago... I don't walk in front of moving cars. Physics.

 

[E90400K]

Irks me that every truck has a mass of American style nose on it. The Maverick tries to but it's just small enough that it can't be massive. It's like let's see how non-aerodynamic and a death trap to pedestrians we can make this thing. Bigger the better!

I figured out the solution to that problem a long time ago... I don't walk in front of moving cars. Physics.

 

[Paul]

At the point hoods have reached, pedestrians can't be a reason, they have reached a point where the driver might need a grill camera to see a pedestrian in the crosswalk the truck is stopped at.
I think I miscalculated the tailgate heights, 2 feet seems to be the low end now, some seem to be approaching 3 feet.
It's not just masculine compensation with size of vehicles though, they've also been marketed as "bigger = safer" for women.
Bigger = safer is a problem, because there is always going to be something bigger, until everyone is driving something like a semi to the grocery store.

The truly dumb moment came when they started building ladders into tailgates so that you could climb into it... Let's not even consider actually using the bed to load. What they need to do is build a ladder into the grotesque grills to check your oil.

 

[Dorbiman]

I figured out the solution to that problem a long time ago... I don't walk in front of moving cars. Physics.

What an asinine comment lol

 

[E90400K]

What an asinine comment lol

More asinine than a State that made a law that gives pedestrians the right-of-way to cross the street in a cross walk that is in the MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK?

 

[Dorbiman]

More asinine than a State that made a law that gives pedestrians the right-of-way to cross the street in a cross walk that is in the MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK?

...yes? This feels like a trick question. Where else should pedestrians be walking if not the cross walk?

 

[E90400K]

...yes? This feels like a trick question. Where else should pedestrians be walking if not the cross walk?

Pedestrians should absolutely have the right-of-way in a crosswalk when the crosswalk is at an intersection controlled by a traffic signal and the cars are stopped (or should be stopped - i.e. at a red light). In California, the law is pedestrians have the right-of-way whenever they are in the crosswalk, regardless if the crosswalk is at an intersection or in the middle of the block (i.e. between intersections).

In 1985 was visiting my parents, who had temporarily moved to LA for a year. My dad and I were driving around downtown LA, I was driving his big 'ole Olds Regency 98 diesel. Some dude just steps off the curb as I was coming down the street, Wilshire Blvd. and I almost ran him over. After I said loudly WTF, my dad comments, "Oh yeah, California has a law that you have to stop whenever someone is at the curb at a crosswalk, they can cross in front of you". My response was, "Well the Politian who came up with that law apparently never studied Physics." My dad laughed (he was president of the Physics Club in his high school - he got the joke). The crosswalk was in the middle of the block and had no traffic control (i.e. flashing lights, etc.).

Stupidest, most idiotic, asinine thing I've ever come across.

 

[RedJoker]

Pedestrians should absolutely have the right-of-way in a crosswalk when the crosswalk is at an intersection controlled by a traffic signal and the cars are stopped (or should be stopped - i.e. at a red light).

In my area, I'd have to walk a half mile in one direction and a mile in the other to get to an intersection controlled by a traffic signal (or stop sign, or whatever, etc.) I'm glad I can still use the crosswalk by my house though.

 

[E90400K]

In my area, I'd have to walk a half mile in one direction and a mile in the other to get to an intersection controlled by a traffic signal (or stop sign, or whatever, etc.) I'm glad I can still use the crosswalk by my house though.

Great, but do you just walk out in front of a moving car and expect it to stop?

 

[RedJoker]

Great, but do you just walk out in front of a moving car and expect it to stop?

Kinda? Do I step out in front of a car going 50 mph and expect it to come to a skidding stop? Of course not but that's not the same thing as having the right of way. (It's also not what you said above so maybe I misunderstood your intended message.)

If I make it obvious that I'm trying to cross, in the crosswalk where I have the right of way, I would hope that eventually a driver will know the law, and stop to let me cross. That's literally the point of a crosswalk, isn't it? I feel like I'm missing your point, so forgive my ignorance.

 

[sodamo]

More asinine than a State that made a law that gives pedestrians the right-of-way to cross the street in a cross walk that is in the MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK?

Sadly, I think many interpret that to mean they can cross anywhere and don’t even have to look, just step out and go.
as a driver I can surely respect a crosswalk, so should pedestrian.

 

[E90400K]

Kinda? Do I step out in front of a car going 50 mph and expect it to come to a skidding stop? Of course not but that's not the same thing as having the right of way. (It's also not what you said above so maybe I misunderstood your intended message.)

If I make it obvious that I'm trying to cross, in the crosswalk where I have the right of way, I would hope that eventually a driver will know the law, and stop to let me cross. That's literally the point of a crosswalk, isn't it? I feel like I'm missing your point*, so forgive my ignorance.

I don't expect ANY car regardless of its speed to stop when I'm in a crosswalk or just crossing the street where there is no crosswalk. Yup, the law (in most states) says I have the right-of-way, but what if the driver was not aware of the law (like I was in California in 1985 - the stupidity had no yet reached the East Coast states), or the driver just screws up and doesn't stop? As the pedestrian, you lose EVERY time. It's simple Newtonian Physics, the body with the greater mass is harder to stop and has more kinetic energy than a human in case there is a collision. I play it safe and rely on myself to keep myself intact. I can wait for the car to pass. I do not cross a street when there are moving cars present that would have to slow down or stop to give me the right of way [it bugs the shit out of most drivers these days because they have been programmed to stop when they see a pedestrian, so when I don't cross they get all grumpyface].

* What I meant was, in a city, most crosswalks are at intersections where there are traffic lights and pedestrian lights, which are intended to control both the flow of vehicle traffic and pedestrian traffic. On Wilshire Blvd. in LA, the crosswalk was in the middle of the block with no signage nor traffic control lights (i.e. flashing to let drivers know someone is crossing the street).