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I agree with this sentiment. My Model 3 has one though it’s not as prominent as it originally was. The problem is in use, it becomes a distraction from driving responsibilities. With just a little practice it soon becomes easy to tell acceleration from deceleration without looking at an instrument panel.
A "power flow" bar would probably help with learning to control the 1 pedal driving. So you can see when the regen starts and how much.
Power meter could be a great aftermarket add-on. No need to mess with the wiring, just find an accessible site to slip a Hall sensor around one of the power cables. Mount a nice big analog meter on the otherwise barren dash. I converted the tach on my vintage 1988 EV to a power meter and it really is quite useful especially on hills. Not distracting at all, I can see what it's doing in peripheral vision without glancing down.
 

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Power meter could be a great aftermarket add-on. No need to mess with the wiring, just find an accessible site to slip a Hall sensor around one of the power cables. Mount a nice big analog meter on the otherwise barren dash. I converted the tach on my vintage 1988 EV to a power meter and it really is quite useful especially on hills. Not distracting at all, I can see what it's doing in peripheral vision without glancing down.
I would love me an "Ammeter" !!!!
 

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Same - my experience with EVs is that you get the most range with throttle regen set to zero (I assume because I am an imperfect human and can't hold the spot between accel and decel for long periods of time). I want real-time control of regen, but there's too much I like about the Slate for that to be a deal-breaker for me.
Glad to hear someone verify this. There's an old Fully Charged video where Robert is completely flummoxed when his wife gets better mileage with accelerator regen turned off than he does with it on max. Certainly in theory coasting should be more efficient than constantly going into regen. Intuitively people think max regen means max range, but every time you go into regen the energy has to go through the gearing, through the motor, through the inverter, into the batteries, then back through all 4 steps when you accelerate back to the original speed or go back up the hill. Not sure what the overall recovery is, but there's got to be a few percent loss at each step.
 

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Glad to hear someone verify this. There's an old Fully Charged video where Robert is completely flummoxed when his wife gets better mileage with accelerator regen turned off than he does with it on max. Certainly in theory coasting should be more efficient than constantly going into regen. Intuitively people think max regen means max range, but every time you go into regen the energy has to go through the gearing, through the motor, through the inverter, into the batteries, then back through all 4 steps when you accelerate back to the original speed or go back up the hill. Not sure what the overall recovery is, but there's got to be a few percent loss at each step.
I think the key is not letting it go into regen buy not fully lifting off, stimulating coasting.
 

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Glad to hear someone verify this. There's an old Fully Charged video where Robert is completely flummoxed when his wife gets better mileage with accelerator regen turned off than he does with it on max. Certainly in theory coasting should be more efficient than constantly going into regen. Intuitively people think max regen means max range, but every time you go into regen the energy has to go through the gearing, through the motor, through the inverter, into the batteries, then back through all 4 steps when you accelerate back to the original speed or go back up the hill. Not sure what the overall recovery is, but there's got to be a few percent loss at each step.
This would depend on the driving situation, and the driver's actions. Street driving with lots of intersections/stops, you probably want as much regen as you can get. Highway/long stretches, there may be areas you want to truly coast. You should be able to coast even with max regen, just need to find the right level to hold the accelerator at. In many (not all) cases where you aren't intersection to intersection the easy and close to optimal option is probably cruise control.
 

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Glad to hear someone verify this. There's an old Fully Charged video where Robert is completely flummoxed when his wife gets better mileage with accelerator regen turned off than he does with it on max. Certainly in theory coasting should be more efficient than constantly going into regen. Intuitively people think max regen means max range, but every time you go into regen the energy has to go through the gearing, through the motor, through the inverter, into the batteries, then back through all 4 steps when you accelerate back to the original speed or go back up the hill. Not sure what the overall recovery is, but there's got to be a few percent loss at each step.
for sure, there are efficiency losses with regen, but you really can't throw such a broad blanket over an anecdotal comparison like that. There are so many other factors in any given drive.

Largely speaking, holding pedal position at a "coast" level should really only be scenarios like approaching a stop light from a significant distance, etc. In cruise settings, where hills are involved, well... actual cruise control should be used, and the vehicle will coast, if that is what is called for, balancing set speed and energy management.

I get that it may not be "as fun" or require a behavioural change that perhaps we'd prefer not to deal with. Personally, I'll miss my true coasting, with clutch and stick, but that's just part of the price of modernity and simplicity. Maybe the Slate isn't the right vehicle for skilled "hypermilers" but I think Slates approach is very reasonable - IMO, the majority of EV drivers are not particularly knowledgable or interested drivers that can really work regen settings, no different from ICE drivers and their management of energy and consumption.
 

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Wouldn't it be nice if regen bias was tunable through the app. Maybe just wish full thinking. Seems like a software issue.
I am confident that Hackers and Makers will fine tune many aspects of the Slate truck. I have been driving for a lot of years and aside from homebrew EVs, this Slate seems more like a community project than any other vehicle I have driven. I believe that the words "locked out" will have no meaning what so ever in this community.

My request for regen braking is that there be some latitude between power on and brakes on, just so I can coast as I do now in my manual transmission Ford Fiesta.
 

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I am confident that Hackers and Makers will fine tune many aspects of the Slate truck. I have been driving for a lot of years and aside from homebrew EVs, this Slate seems more like a community project than any other vehicle I have driven. I believe that the words "locked out" will have no meaning what so ever in this community.

My request for regen braking is that there be some latitude between power on and brakes on, just so I can coast as I do now in my manual transmission Ford Fiesta.
There should be some "dead band" in the pedal between accelerating and regen, where you can coast.
 

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Just did 2 roundtrips this weekend in our 2016 eGolf that covers the full reliable mileage of that car (about 85 miles). I don't need to defend it with reason, but I'll say to anyone that will listen: throttle-off coasting for the win.

And our two other cars are manual transmissions. If someone hacks a slate to coast, I'll be in-line for the steps to make it so!
 

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Just did 2 roundtrips this weekend in our 2016 eGolf that covers the full reliable mileage of that car (about 85 miles). I don't need to defend it with reason, but I'll say to anyone that will listen: throttle-off coasting for the win.

And our two other cars are manual transmissions. If someone hacks a slate to coast, I'll be in-line for the steps to make it so!
With 1PD there is coasting, by holding the pedal at a certain depth. That will be the "dead band" I mentioned. Exactly where in the pedal's travel it is we won't know until we can drive it, but you should be able to find it.
 

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With 1PD there is coasting, by holding the pedal at a certain depth. That will be the "dead band" I mentioned. Exactly where in the pedal's travel it is we won't know until we can drive it, but you should be able to find it.
I understand, but I want the dead zone to be when the pedal is fully released.
 

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I am confident that Hackers and Makers will fine tune many aspects of the Slate truck. I have been driving for a lot of years and aside from homebrew EVs, this Slate seems more like a community project than any other vehicle I have driven. I believe that the words "locked out" will have no meaning what so ever in this community.

My request for regen braking is that there be some latitude between power on and brakes on, just so I can coast as I do now in my manual transmission Ford Fiesta.
I don't know the exact rules the NHTSA takes when it comes to modifying the software of vehicles, if they even do. I know some states have tried to stamp down on it for tuners and diesel emissions control people, so Slate may be forced to come out and try to stop users from doing real deep mods of the truck software to play nice with regulators.

But when I say they'll attempt to stop it, I mean more in the Willy Wonka sort of way:
Slate Auto Pickup Truck Regen braking non adjustable ?  Deal breaker for me. rDJWv5E
 

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I understand, but I want the dead zone to be when the pedal is fully released.
To me that says that you want the first bit of movement of the standard brake pedal to initiate regen braking. That sounds OK to me. Maybe I'll think differently once I drive with one pedal drive.
 
 





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