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I had a $500 Aptera reservation in 2007. Honestly I'm shocked they are still around at all. Unfortunately I tend to think that you either have leadership and a team who is focused on executing, or you don't, and Aptera doesn't seem to.
Oh, I'm with you. Years ago I sent Arcimoto a $50 deposit for a "Mean Lean Machine". My $50 disappeared along with the project, and apperently along with anyone to answer emails asking for my deposit back.
 

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I see a tiny part of a plant. The part that assembles unibody frames. And they were hand pushing the trollies. It looked to me like this was a bunch of production engineers manually debugging just one part of the assembly line. An important part, but one part.

We have some experienced production engineers. I'd love to hear from somebody with authority what they see and how far along in the production line readiness they think Slate is from what we saw.
The robotic welding cell appears operational in limited capacity on the production floor. But the video cuts back to a secondary prototype shop where there is still a lot of hand assembly and production tooling prove-out taking place. At this stage, it appears automation and material handling optimization still has a long way to go. Completed chassis on wheeled skids is a good start, but being hauled and towed by hand to the next station by factory workers just demonstrates they are in the very early stages. Just ask this worker how his back feels at the end of the day!

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There is also some idle equipment being staged for additional assembly cells, and the coating booths appear to be still under construction. This is by no means a criticism, mind you, it's actually very exciting to see this level activity at the Warsaw plant and proves they will have real products by the end of the year.

Someone commented that the factory area looks a little "small" but from my trained eye it looks like the camera is spanning about 150 - 200,000 sq. ft. of active production space, with the "white space" filling in soon. Keep in mind, of the 1.4M SF facility they also have warehousing and office space probably accounting for about 10% (140k sf). I find it amusing they are calling this a "proof of life" video. We all wanted to see real parts, real people, and real activity, and Slate has delivered.
 

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I know some of you were hoping to see this at the Warsaw plant...
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>> Robotic assembly
Kia and some other major OEMs already have some humanoid robots in their factories. I think from Figure and others. I'm in favor of anything that (1) improves quality, (2) reduces cost, and (3) frees humans from tedious and injury prone repetitive tasks.

Ever seen a video of a person who's job it is to move a stamping from the press to a rack? For 8 hours a day? Every day? Let a robot do that. Although it's my understanding that many OEMs rotate people into different line positions every two hours. Just to avoid burnout and injury.
 
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Kia and some other major OEMs already have some humanoid robots in their factories. I think from Figure and others. I'm in favor of anything that (1) improves quality, (2) reduces cost, and (3) frees humans from tedious and injury prone repetitive tasks.

Ever seen a video of a person who's job it is to move a stamping from the press to a rack? For 8 hours a day? Every day? Let a robot do that. Although it's my understanding that many OEMs rotate people into different line positions every two hours. Just to avoid burnout and injury.
When I was way younger, bought a new GTO. Soon figured my paycheck needed to be augmented so got a parttime job in a local factory. My job was to stand in front of this stamping machine, retrieve sheets (about 2ft sq) to place on the table. One hand would move this heavy metal die, the other guide the material, my foot would operate a pedal to slam onto the die cutting shoe heels. Pay was piece rate, cut more, make more. Likely violated numerous OSHA stuff today. Can’t say I miss that job, but I have wondered about that GTO.
 

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I know some of you were hoping to see this at the Warsaw plant...
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>> Robotic assembly
Using humanoid robots is the dumbest way to add automation. I know you would think that it would be the most direct way to replace human workers, which is how everyone pictures it. But the most common failure point of robotic automation is where it needs to interact with another automated system. CNC machines will sometimes have robotic arms added on, and their weak point is always the communication with the machine. That's why machine manufacturers started integrating the robot control with the CNC control.

A loose humanoid robot will still have that issue, and it needs to balance itself through the entire process. There's a few uses, but not in a factory setting.
 

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Maybe "CLR"?
Could be. It's likely referencing whatever dimension/feature is out of tolerance.
Although I used to work with an inspector that would write "NFG" on bad parts, haha.
 

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It is also possible these video clips we are seeing were not taped yesterday, and may be showing the state of things a month ago.
I'm pretty sure I recognize one clip (roughly 0:23-0:25) that previously appeared in the factory drone footage short in May.
 

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Using humanoid robots is the dumbest way to add automation. I know you would think that it would be the most direct way to replace human workers, which is how everyone pictures it. But the most common failure point of robotic automation is where it needs to interact with another automated system. CNC machines will sometimes have robotic arms added on, and their weak point is always the communication with the machine. That's why machine manufacturers started integrating the robot control with the CNC control.

A loose humanoid robot will still have that issue, and it needs to balance itself through the entire process. There's a few uses, but not in a factory setting.
They go into this argument all the time on the Moonshots podcast. Yes, there's a robot form for everything. There's a place in the factory for humanoid robots, but there's a bigger space for non-humanoid robots.

The argument for humanoid robots is existing environments already designed for human form factors and capabilities.

That's me agreeing with you, in case I'm not clear.
 
 
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