Tire thoughts: air pressure sensors (TPMS) and alternate spare tire options

[GaRailroader]

Really? ....researches... Huh, I stand corrected! I'm not so far off given my own Ford has an indirect TPMS, but apparently direct-measurement systems are more common than I thought.

The Tesla Model 3 and Model Y Standard Models that were unveiled last fall have these ‘virtual’ TPMS sensors. That was one of the things they did to bring the price down on the Standard trims. I have heard that VW does that as well.

 

[Twisted Santa]

Upon further reading, we were both wrong, because there's a few brands that switched back to indirect measuring! I guess most VWs do indirect tpms lately!

Thanks for the info on how these things work guys. It’s all just techno magic to me. All I know is that on my wife’s Honda Fit, half of the time the tire light came on it was a false alarm. Either the system just had to be reset, or one of the sensors had gone bad and had to be replaced. It did, however, catch a couple of slow leaks from embedded nails and such over the years.

 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

I hope Slate uses the indirect TPMS/FTM which don’t have radio. Even if there is no infotainment console in the Slate, TPMS with radios are a horrible privacy leak for surveillance systems like SignalTrace. And I can hook up aux connection to my speaker to negate Bluetooth broadcasts, but there is no helping those TPMS radios…

 

[Tom Sawyer]

How is TPMS a privacy risk?

 

[BlackFlagBop]

How is TPMS a privacy risk?

https://www.404media.co/this-compan...smartwatch-trackers-to-license-plate-readers/

Granted, of *course* your TPMS would be associated with your license plate, and your other devices (phone, the tablet you mount, your watch if applicable) will be just as traceable. However, this is just the already known starting point. Who knows what further invasive capabilities might arise from this and similar tech

 

[Tom Sawyer]

For starters, TPMS has a limited broadcast range and is active only while in motion (and if the battery hasn't expired...) and I fail to see how TPMS is inherently associated with a license plate. They are registered with the vehicle's TPMS controller; something else would have to associate that with a vehicle registration - which can and does change over time.

I know this strays outside the initial topic but Bluetooth is also limited to 10 meters line-of-sight and as a privacy risk, Bluetooth links can be controlled. For example, the radios can be turned off and access to those devices are controlled by either accepting or denying a link request. I mention this with the understanding that eavesdropping on communications is possible.

Forgive me for not having the time to read through the article; as has been brought up this week on the forum I screen links to determine if they are worth my time and a click with any associated ads served. I try to limit the amount of clickbait bullshit I'm exposed to (but that's just me.) My response is informed only by the article title which seems to focus on 'phone, AirPod and smartwatch tracking' and doesn't appear to address TPMS - at least according to the title. If the article addresses TPMS, there's that. But I don't see much value in collecting TPMS information in light of an invasion of privacy. If someone really wants to know what pressure & temperature my tires are...

Seems like malarkey to me.

 

[BlackFlagBop]

For starters, TPMS has a limited broadcast range and is active only while in motion (and if the battery hasn't expired...) and I fail to see how TPMS is inherently associated with a license plate. They are registered with the vehicle's TPMS controller; something else would have to associate that with a vehicle registration - which can and does change over time.

I know this strays outside the initial topic but Bluetooth is also limited to 10 meters line-of-sight and as a privacy risk, Bluetooth links can be controlled. For example, the radios can be turned off and access to those devices are controlled by either accepting or denying a link request. I mention this with the understanding that eavesdropping on communications is possible.

Forgive me for not having the time to read through the article; as has been brought up this week on the forum I screen links to determine if they are worth my time and a click with any associated ads served. I try to limit the amount of clickbait bullshit I'm exposed to (but that's just me.) My response is informed only by the article title which seems to focus on 'phone, AirPod and smartwatch tracking' and doesn't appear to address TPMS - at least according to the title. If the article addresses TPMS, there's that. But I don't see much value in collecting TPMS information in light of an invasion of privacy. If someone really wants to know what pressure & temperature my tires are...

Seems like malarkey to me.

"I'm not going to bother reading what you've gone out of your way to find for me, but I'm gonna call it bullshit anyway because the headline doesn't contain the entire text and concept...."

Are you always this useless or do you save it for us here?

 

[ElectricShitbox]

TPMS sensors can theoretically be tracked with roadside sensors, along with anything that broadcasts a unique identifier like bluetooth devices. I'm not saying that's not a problem, but there's pretty minimal uses for tracking a car that way, especially in a world blanketed in Flock cameras.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

"I'm not going to bother reading what you've gone out of your way to find for me, but I'm gonna call it bullshit anyway because the headline doesn't contain the entire text and concept...."

Are you always this useless or do you save it for us here?

Look, please don't take offense. I don't know you and you don't know me. I'm sure if we met in person rather than over an internet forum, this interaction wouldn't go this direction.

I don't have the time or inclination for this; I wish you a good day.

Edit: forgot to include a smiley emoji.

 

[BlackFlagBop]

I'm sure if we met in person rather than over an internet forum, this interaction wouldn't go this direction.

If your laziness extends beyond the internet, I assure you it would.

 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

The TPMS radio signal is a data point to get associated with license plate readers. I can conceive of countermeasures for most traceable signals except TPMS. Nothing to do about the license plate readers unless you’ve got one of those James Bond Aston Martins. But, the less data I just give away, the more officials and bad actors have to rely on tradition constitutionally governed methods of surveillance.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

https://www.404media.co/this-compan...smartwatch-trackers-to-license-plate-readers/

Okay, Father's Day festivities are over and I have a bit more time in my schedule for this, and I have a question for the Slate Forum Peanut Gallery: Has anyone else tried clicking on this link? I ask because I have, and I found it thoroughly amusing.

The article is behind a sort of a paywall. It only shows the first two paragraphs and asks to collect an email address before presenting the rest of the article.

Amusing because the direction of this thread focuses on maintaining privacy against businesses that want to collect your personal information. The article was shared as a warning against data collection. Even the article title itself is about data collection.

Now, is that irony, contradiction, or simple cognitive dissonance? 🙄

 

[E90400K]

Okay, Father's Day festivities are over and I have a bit more time in my schedule for this, and I have a question for the Slate Forum Peanut Gallery: Has anyone else tried clicking on this link? I ask because I have, and I found it thoroughly amusing.

The article is behind a sort of a paywall. It only shows the first two paragraphs and asks to collect an email address before presenting the rest of the article.

Amusing because the direction of this thread focuses on maintaining privacy against businesses that want to collect your personal information. The article was shared as a warning against data collection. Even the article title itself is about data collection.

Now, is that a matter of irony, contradiction, or simple cognitive dissonance? 🙄

I think what we need here are tinfoil skirts over the wheel well openings...

 

[E90400K]

Heavy-duty tinfoil, of course.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

It can also serve as a ground plane.