Autosteer and Adaptive Cruise Control

[sodamo]

Tech changes and people adapt. We didn't shy away from auto start cars because we didn't want the next gen to not know how to crank start a car. We didn't shy away from automatic transmissions because the next gen wouldn't know how to drive a manual.

There is significant data showing that these tools are safer. Not perfect, no, but safer. Like anything, they require change.

True but you miss my point.
yes people adapt, but that assumes they have experience to adapt from.
given how insurance companies rate young, inexperienced drivers, probably safe to safe that once we reach the point that all a driver knows is the self driving vehicles they have no experience how to react when it fails. Your two examples are apples to oranges.
That said I am not against the benefits and the safety it implies.

 

[Letas]

That's a discipline issue not solvable by any amount of technology.

It is an issue, yes, but it is absolutely solvable. This tech makes not only the driver safer, but also the others on the road.

40k traffic deaths a year- I think it’s fair to say we should look for alternative solutions. “The way we’ve been doing it” is not perfect.

 

[KJRaven]

I just saw a press release that Telo is going all in with comma.ai. Problem solved.

Telo, while a nice option, doesnt appeal to me looks wise. it is also going to be significantly more expensive. but i do like that they are going with comma.ai, I had not seen that.

 

[cvollers]

Telo, while a nice option, doesnt appeal to me looks wise. it is also going to be significantly more expensive. but i do like that they are going with comma.ai, I had not seen that.

Ummm, that was a joke.

 

[Letas]

True but you miss my point.
yes people adapt, but that assumes they have experience to adapt from.
given how insurance companies rate young, inexperienced drivers, probably safe to safe that once we reach the point that all a driver knows is the self driving vehicles they have no experience how to react when it fails. Your two examples are apples to oranges.
That said I am not against the benefits and the safety it implies.

Hopefully when teaching a new driver to drive, their teacher (parent) will disable these. Some will, some won’t. That being said, the tech is relatively new and improving rapidly. It’s not some gimmick.

Insurance companies wouldn’t offer discounts for having these features if it wasn’t safer.

 

[cvollers]

Ummm, that was a joke.

As another member suggested, why not contact Slate, plead your case, and then report back on what they say?

 

[cvollers]

Hopefully when teaching a new driver to drive, their teacher (parent) will disable these. Some will, some won’t. That being said, the tech is relatively new and improving rapidly. It’s not some gimmick.

Insurance companies wouldn’t offer discounts for having these features if it wasn’t safer.

If you have ever spent any time driving around Seattle, you’d know that a substantial portion of the population would benefit from really good self driving tech…assuming those drivers are better at operating the software than actual driving. It would make all the people here who do know how to drive feel much better about hitting the road.

 

[KJRaven]

Ummm, that was a joke.

you are not great at jokes... but I did check after I replied... I didnt find anything that confirmed your claim so I assumed you were "joking"

I did send a message to Slate to ask and will report back if Ihear from them.

People suck at driving, computers dont get tired and are getting really good at complex tasks even with the processign power of a cellphone from 2017 (latest comma device) they can do amazing things.

My kids (8 yo, and 5 yo) will probably never need to have a drivers license due to the adoption of self driving cars, and im okay with that. I will teach them how to drive, but they may never use the skill.

 

[sodamo]

I see a great opportunity for this technology, but haven’t seen it addressed. The elderly.

 

[E90400K]

It is an issue, yes, but it is absolutely solvable. This tech makes not only the driver safer, but also the others on the road.

40k traffic deaths a year- I think it’s fair to say we should look for alternative solutions. “The way we’ve been doing it” is not perfect.

Yes, far more strict licensing requirements, better driver education, and refresher education requirements based on time periods. For those people who just can't drive safely, public transportation or Uber subsidies.

A fully automated autonomous driving environment is not possible at anywhete close to an affordable price.

 

[cvollers]

you are not great at jokes... but I did check after I replied... I didnt find anything that confirmed your claim so I assumed you were "joking"

I did send a message to Slate to ask and will report back if Ihear from them.

People suck at driving, computers dont get tired and are getting really good at complex tasks even with the processign power of a cellphone from 2017 (latest comma device) they can do amazing things.

My kids (8 yo, and 5 yo) will probably never need to have a drivers license due to the adoption of self driving cars, and im okay with that. I will teach them how to drive, but they may never use the skill.

Not all people suck at driving. However there are a lot of people who do….and for a variety of reasons. I’m not against self driving tech. I’m just against Slate offering it or allowing/supporting 3rd party solutions that are DIY. I know how to drive and I don’t want to subsidize those who don’t by paying a higher price for the additional, unwanted tech.

If someone wants self driving tech, buy a Telo. I’m pretty sure that if they get that thing to market, it will need self driving to be competitive.

 

[KJRaven]

Not all people suck at driving. However there are a lot of people who do….and for a variety of reasons. I’m not against self driving tech. I’m just against Slate offering it or allowing/supporting 3rd party solutions that are DIY. I know how to drive and I don’t want to subsidize those who don’t by paying a higher price for the additional, unwanted tech.

If someone wants self driving tech, buy a Telo. I’m pretty sure that if they get that thing to market, it will need self driving to be competitive.

it isnt so much that people suck at driving, they do, but there are too many distractions to avoid, phone, billboards, radio, our stupid emotions, other drivers, kids throwing candy at eachother, for us to be able to focus 100% on driving that makes us bad drivers. Computers are statisticaly just better at it, and the more cars that have computers at the wheel the better, in my opinion.

I for sure do not want to increase the starting price of the truck by adding the tech i want it to be the cheapest possible. but it will have some of the tech built in already, the slate most likely will have an electric steering gearbox which can easily be controlled over the CAN network, and automatic braking requires most of the sensors needed for the rest of the advanced driver assist features. I would hope that it could be done at little or no cost to Slate especially if it is considered early on in the engineering process.

 

[cvollers]

it isnt so much that people suck at driving, they do, but there are too many distractions to avoid, phone, billboards, radio, our stupid emotions, other drivers, kids throwing candy at eachother, for us to be able to focus 100% on driving that makes us bad drivers. Computers are statisticaly just better at it, and the more cars that have computers at the wheel the better, in my opinion.

I for sure do not want to increase the starting price of the truck by adding the tech i want it to be the cheapest possible. but it will have some of the tech built in already, the slate most likely will have an electric steering gearbox which can easily be controlled over the CAN network, and automatic braking requires most of the sensors needed for the rest of the advanced driver assist features. I would hope that it could be done at little or no cost to Slate especially if it is considered early on in the engineering process.

You are making a lot of assumptions. Also, sucking at driving includes allowing distractions to bother you, not driving at the speed limit, driving recklessly, not checking mirrors and blind spots, and not using turn signals amongst other things. I'm a cyclist and I can't tell you how many times a car has turned right directly in front of me without looking...will a computer do that? The number of cameras alone required to make self driving safe is a cost I don't think Slate is willing to pass on to the consumer.

Let's table this for now until Slate gets back to someone with a definitive response.

 

[KJRaven]

Update from Slate regarding the question.

This is what i asked...

" Good morning,
I know that the blank slate is not going to offer any automated driver assist systems other than the basic ones that are required, automatic braking, etc. I am curious if Slate has thought about working with, or at least allowing a third party such as comma.ai's openpilot system (https://comma.ai/openpilot) to enable some more advanced driver assist systems such as automated lane centering, and adaptive cruise control to the Slate as an aftermartket add on."

I am good with that response, and it makes sense.
We will see how the truck works with the aftermarket system when it comes out.

 

[cvollers]

Update from Slate regarding the question.

This is what i asked...

" Good morning,
I know that the blank slate is not going to offer any automated driver assist systems other than the basic ones that are required, automatic braking, etc. I am curious if Slate has thought about working with, or at least allowing a third party such as comma.ai's openpilot system (https://comma.ai/openpilot) to enable some more advanced driver assist systems such as automated lane centering, and adaptive cruise control to the Slate as an aftermartket add on."

I am good with that response, and it makes sense.
We will see how the truck works with the aftermarket system when it comes out.

Exactly what I expected.