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Hopefully when teaching a new driver to drive, their teacher (parent) will disable these. Some will, some won’t. That being said, the tech is relatively new and improving rapidly. It’s not some gimmick.

Insurance companies wouldn’t offer discounts for having these features if it wasn’t safer.
If you have ever spent any time driving around Seattle, you’d know that a substantial portion of the population would benefit from really good self driving tech…assuming those drivers are better at operating the software than actual driving. It would make all the people here who do know how to drive feel much better about hitting the road.
 
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Ummm, that was a joke.
you are not great at jokes... but I did check after I replied... I didnt find anything that confirmed your claim so I assumed you were "joking"

I did send a message to Slate to ask and will report back if Ihear from them.

People suck at driving, computers dont get tired and are getting really good at complex tasks even with the processign power of a cellphone from 2017 (latest comma device) they can do amazing things.

My kids (8 yo, and 5 yo) will probably never need to have a drivers license due to the adoption of self driving cars, and im okay with that. I will teach them how to drive, but they may never use the skill.
 

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I see a great opportunity for this technology, but haven’t seen it addressed. The elderly.
 

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you are not great at jokes... but I did check after I replied... I didnt find anything that confirmed your claim so I assumed you were "joking"

I did send a message to Slate to ask and will report back if Ihear from them.

People suck at driving, computers dont get tired and are getting really good at complex tasks even with the processign power of a cellphone from 2017 (latest comma device) they can do amazing things.

My kids (8 yo, and 5 yo) will probably never need to have a drivers license due to the adoption of self driving cars, and im okay with that. I will teach them how to drive, but they may never use the skill.
Not all people suck at driving. However there are a lot of people who do….and for a variety of reasons. I’m not against self driving tech. I’m just against Slate offering it or allowing/supporting 3rd party solutions that are DIY. I know how to drive and I don’t want to subsidize those who don’t by paying a higher price for the additional, unwanted tech.

If someone wants self driving tech, buy a Telo. I’m pretty sure that if they get that thing to market, it will need self driving to be competitive.
 
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Not all people suck at driving. However there are a lot of people who do….and for a variety of reasons. I’m not against self driving tech. I’m just against Slate offering it or allowing/supporting 3rd party solutions that are DIY. I know how to drive and I don’t want to subsidize those who don’t by paying a higher price for the additional, unwanted tech.

If someone wants self driving tech, buy a Telo. I’m pretty sure that if they get that thing to market, it will need self driving to be competitive.
it isnt so much that people suck at driving, they do, but there are too many distractions to avoid, phone, billboards, radio, our stupid emotions, other drivers, kids throwing candy at eachother, for us to be able to focus 100% on driving that makes us bad drivers. Computers are statisticaly just better at it, and the more cars that have computers at the wheel the better, in my opinion.

I for sure do not want to increase the starting price of the truck by adding the tech i want it to be the cheapest possible. but it will have some of the tech built in already, the slate most likely will have an electric steering gearbox which can easily be controlled over the CAN network, and automatic braking requires most of the sensors needed for the rest of the advanced driver assist features. I would hope that it could be done at little or no cost to Slate especially if it is considered early on in the engineering process.
 

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it isnt so much that people suck at driving, they do, but there are too many distractions to avoid, phone, billboards, radio, our stupid emotions, other drivers, kids throwing candy at eachother, for us to be able to focus 100% on driving that makes us bad drivers. Computers are statisticaly just better at it, and the more cars that have computers at the wheel the better, in my opinion.

I for sure do not want to increase the starting price of the truck by adding the tech i want it to be the cheapest possible. but it will have some of the tech built in already, the slate most likely will have an electric steering gearbox which can easily be controlled over the CAN network, and automatic braking requires most of the sensors needed for the rest of the advanced driver assist features. I would hope that it could be done at little or no cost to Slate especially if it is considered early on in the engineering process.
You are making a lot of assumptions. Also, sucking at driving includes allowing distractions to bother you, not driving at the speed limit, driving recklessly, not checking mirrors and blind spots, and not using turn signals amongst other things. I'm a cyclist and I can't tell you how many times a car has turned right directly in front of me without looking...will a computer do that? The number of cameras alone required to make self driving safe is a cost I don't think Slate is willing to pass on to the consumer.

Let's table this for now until Slate gets back to someone with a definitive response.
 

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Update from Slate regarding the question.

This is what i asked...

" Good morning,
I know that the blank slate is not going to offer any automated driver assist systems other than the basic ones that are required, automatic braking, etc. I am curious if Slate has thought about working with, or at least allowing a third party such as comma.ai's openpilot system (https://comma.ai/openpilot) to enable some more advanced driver assist systems such as automated lane centering, and adaptive cruise control to the Slate as an aftermartket add on."

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I am good with that response, and it makes sense.
We will see how the truck works with the aftermarket system when it comes out.
 

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Update from Slate regarding the question.

This is what i asked...

" Good morning,
I know that the blank slate is not going to offer any automated driver assist systems other than the basic ones that are required, automatic braking, etc. I am curious if Slate has thought about working with, or at least allowing a third party such as comma.ai's openpilot system (https://comma.ai/openpilot) to enable some more advanced driver assist systems such as automated lane centering, and adaptive cruise control to the Slate as an aftermartket add on."

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I am good with that response, and it makes sense.
We will see how the truck works with the aftermarket system when it comes out.
Exactly what I expected.
 

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Hopefully Slate holds out on all that stuff because Tesla looks to be working on the successor to CAN called TDMA. If they open source it like NACS, that very well might be the path going forward for EVs that have advanced features like semi-autonomous driving modes.
 

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Hopefully Slate holds out on all that stuff because Tesla looks to be working on the successor to CAN called TDMA. If they open source it like NACS, that very well might be the path going forward for EVs that have advanced features like semi-autonomous driving modes.
TDMA is sweet, I spent some time in the emergency radio space, and P25 phase 2 (TDMA) doubled the amount discrete chanels on the same frequency (with the same 12.5 kilohertz seperation), it esentially doubled the bandwitdh on the network. So applying that tech to vehicle module communication makes sense. CAN has been around for a very long time now (early 1990s) and it is quite slow in comparison. Especially when there are multiple high bandwith modules on the same network that you would need to have to do the types of things that Tesla and other vehicles are trying to do with cars these days.

Basically each module will have a specific time that it can send messages on the network so that there is no cross talk. Every module can just look on the network at that time to recieve the message or ignore it. But it happens at about 500 millions of times per second!
 

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BMW does have a Level 3 system. They say the driver can pay no attention to driving, it will alert you if needed. When it was announced last year, it was also the first system that would take legal responsibility.
The press release shows a photo of the driver watching video.

One downside is that it was limited to 37mph. I assumed this was due to computer processing limitations, and could be increased every few years? It was also a $6000 option on an expensive car. Their other system on that car is more like BlueCruise, it monitors the driver and complains if you aren't watching the road. That system works at full highway (Autobahn?) speeds.

The press release only mentions Germany. I saw some reviews of it operating in the US, not sure if it has been sold here. I lost interest in autonomous vehicles about the same time, so I haven't heard how it works out in real life.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/glob...new-bmw-7-series-from-next-spring?language=en

I'm not advocating that Slate should do this anytime soon.
 

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BMW does have a Level 3 system. They say the driver can pay no attention to driving, it will alert you if needed. When it was announced last year, it was also the first system that would take legal responsibility.
The press release shows a photo of the driver watching video.

One downside is that it was limited to 37mph. I assumed this was due to computer processing limitations, and could be increased every few years? It was also a $6000 option on an expensive car. Their other system on that car is more like BlueCruise, it monitors the driver and complains if you aren't watching the road. That system works at full highway (Autobahn?) speeds.

The press release only mentions Germany. I saw some reviews of it operating in the US, not sure if it has been sold here. I lost interest in autonomous vehicles about the same time, so I haven't heard how it works out in real life.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/glob...new-bmw-7-series-from-next-spring?language=en

I'm not advocating that Slate should do this anytime soon.
Good Level 2 would be all I would want, something that can keep it in a lane on the highway and come to a complete stop in traffic without constantly needing to put my hands on the wheel would be great. I dont want to read a book while driving.
 

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So glad that Slate doesn't seem to care about any of this self-driving sh*t. Does anybody notice that very little goes wrong with electric vehicles when it comes to things like batteries or traction motors failing? The multi-decade promise with EVs being superior to ICE has been the simplicity and minimal part count of the former.

So, the automotive manufacturer cognoscenti got together in a non-smoke-filled backroom a decade or so ago and decided that to keep upcoming EVs expensive and complex (electronically, since they could no longer do it mechanically) by spending billions on self-driving tech. Along with the "promise" of the hydrogen fuel cell displacing ordinary batteries, self-driving gadgetry has been one of those things that has prevented more widespread and quicker adoption of cost effective ordinary EVs. It's a distraction.

Also, since humanoid robots seem to be advancing so quickly (or maybe that's also being over-hyped in the tech press these days,) why not simply build one that can be patched into an otherwise normal EV via an ordinary USB-C connection, have it place itself in the drivers seat and let it do the driving?
 
 
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