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I think when Slate releases pricing details CR will have to change it to the 2 real MSRP options. Anything else is an add on, whether it's a manufacturer add on or a 3rd party, they are all on top of the MSRP.
 

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I guess since the Slate is the automotive equivalent of a regular 'ole electric refrigerator with manual ice trays and no on-the-door water, CR could be the go-to review source...
 

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Mototmouth did an episode last year explaining how poorly Consumer Reports performs when it comes to their reliability reports (on some models, not all). Their methodology would pretty much earn a F- in any statistics or quality engineering course.

The CR sample is self-selecting. In many, many cases (because their subscriber count is collapsing) they are reporting from an inadequate sample size. In some cases they practice the astonishingly unsound method of prediction based on past models from that OEM.

CR also plays favorites not supported by data. If you've ever watched a CR video where they talk about cars, you badly want to dope-slap those imbeciles to get them off the screen. It's like watching nails on a chalkboard if you're even remotely a car person.

There's someone for everyone. If CR rocks your world, go for it.
 

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Mototmouth did an episode last year explaining how poorly Consumer Reports performs when it comes to their reliability reports (on some models, not all). Their methodology would pretty much earn a F- in any statistics or quality engineering course.

The CR sample is self-selecting. In many, many cases (because their subscriber count is collapsing) they are reporting from an inadequate sample size. In some cases they practice the astonishingly unsound method of prediction based on past models from that OEM.

CR also plays favorites not supported by data. If you've ever watched a CR video where they talk about cars, you badly want to dope-slap those imbeciles to get them off the screen. It's like watching nails on a chalkboard if you're even remotely a car person.

There's someone for everyone. If CR rocks your world, go for it.
I like to combine multiple sources. The NHTSA data is a good starter. Add in JD Power, Consumer Reports, etc., and I think one can get a fairly informed idea of quality. It's a lot of work when buying a used auto, that's for damn sure. That is, if you take finding "the best bang for your buck" anyway.
 

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Mototmouth did an episode last year explaining how poorly Consumer Reports performs when it comes to their reliability reports (on some models, not all). Their methodology would pretty much earn a F- in any statistics or quality engineering course.

The CR sample is self-selecting. In many, many cases (because their subscriber count is collapsing) they are reporting from an inadequate sample size. In some cases they practice the astonishingly unsound method of prediction based on past models from that OEM.

CR also plays favorites not supported by data. If you've ever watched a CR video where they talk about cars, you badly want to dope-slap those imbeciles to get them off the screen. It's like watching nails on a chalkboard if you're even remotely a car person.

There's someone for everyone. If CR rocks your world, go for it.
Agree. No offense meant to @cadblu but I could give a rat's ass about what CR says about any vehicle. Waaaayyyy back in the day CR reviewed the 1987 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe. They marked it down because with the big (heavy) doors, the tester said it was too difficult to exit the driver's seat with two paper bags of groceries. WTF?

It was the last I ever took a CR automotive review/ratings seriously.
 

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This is how I take CR automotive... Look at the history of problems, reliability ratings, and areas of concern. They get all this data from surveys of owners who report the issues. If you have a vehicle in there that has enough upset owners who happen to have CR on their radar that they report all the problems thus giving the car a really terrible rating, I am going to take that seriously.
Maybe not so seriously to be my only point of data, however. I would still incorporate data from other sources. As noted HERE.
Most other reviews, regardless of where, will have a lot of opinion riddled with their own biases. Data, however, is king, IMO.
Just one idiot's opinion anyway.
 

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Been reading CR for years. Number of inputs to vehicle reviews - 0
 
 
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