So many posts about, will you still buy if the EV credit

[mthulhu]

I’m about 5 years out from needing a new vehicle, but yes I will still want it. There is nothing at that price range with this much style, innovation, and character. The virtues of “American made”, right to repair support, and affordable operating costs are also selling points.

In short, Slate’s appeal goes way beyond just being the cheapest car on the market for me. As long as it stays pretty affordable I’m on board. I don't believe the lack of a government subsidy will price me out.

 

[Neil Nelson]

We can generate the infrastructure without using fossil fuels. See https://www.solarpaces.org/solar-furnace-to-melt-steel-at-2000c-for-swiss-recycler-panatere/ Also see 'electrical smelters' on google.

 

[E90400K]

We generate solar and are really happy with it. It’s true that for now, battery storage for nighttime house appliances is expensive. But man, when storms have knocked the utility grid down, having battery juice is worth every penny. No stinking, noisy generator to fill with fuel. Very unhappy that Republicans are killing any renewable energy things they can and I will no longer vote for any of them.

Smelly, nah. With using the right safety fuel can, no fuel spillage. I mean really, you are trying to spin a gas-fueled ICE generator as some unsightly, smelly beast. LOL, if you are even a bit handy and understand how to care for a small engine appliance, it's quite an effective temporary power source.

 

[Benjamin Nead]

57% of US electrical energy is fueled by natural gas, coal and crude oil (with a 1.2% increase in the global electricity market). China just this year approved 95GW of coal power plant construction, the highest level since 2015. So, that's on the fuel side.

But I was actually speaking to the use of fossil fuels to create the infrastructure that is built to generate electricity. Hence the short sidedness on the entirety of the whole energy production picture. If you think the fossil fuel industry is going anywhere in the next 100 years, it's not.

And something like 94% of all new electrical generation installed in the US in 2024 was from renewable sources. But, as you'll almost certainly point out, the whole thing is a ruse because fossil fuels were involved in the manufacturing and deployment of said infrastructure, life cycle assessments be damned. Or the workmen were wearing safety hats molded from petroleum-derived plastics? Or that the solar panels and/or wind turbine blades required fossil fuels in their manufacture, at least here in the early to mid 21st century? I'm reminded that Bronze Age technology was required to transition us into the Iron Age. So, no, I don't share your opinion that we're completely stuck with fossil fuels until the the end of time, or the next 100 year, whichever comes first.

Look . . . you might smugly agree with the current administration that this whole thing is a green new scam. I don't and I'm not alone with my outrage that what is happening in Washington right now is not only an affront on me, but ultimately very bad for the economic future of this country. I would have preferred my next set of solar panels come from a US manufacturing concern. But If those firms are now kneecapped and all I have to chose from is Asian or European made stuff, so be it.

If my neighbors are still heating their homes with methane in 10 years time and living on
the precipice of perpetual fear that an international conflict half way around the world is going to make it too expensive for them to drive to work tomorrow morning, they've lost the battle, not me. I would have preferred to bring them into a more enlightened place. But if they don't want to come, I can't force them. I can only attempt to convince them.

So, you think the whole EV tax credit thing should go away and we should just buckle down and drive on gasoline until we can't any longer. But, hey, we'll be pure and virtuous going back to horse drawn carriages because, yeah, all those EVs were just really fossil fuel vehicles hidden behind the specter of batteries and magnetic motors. My argument is not just with fossil fuel proponents, but with green purists who are basically technophobes. You seem to be in one place or another. Hard from me to tell from just a brief online conversation. But I've moved on and you, apparently, haven't. Let's just leave it at that. Or, meet me on some dedicated forum where American made electric small trucks are just a conversational side meal, not the main course.

 

[OldGoat]

Beginning to wonder if E90400K is a troll for the oil companies. He makes no sense. The whole process of mining, transporting, refining, storing, re-transporting oil is crazy. Renewable energy, batteries and EV’s are admittedly in the pupae stage. But so was my cumbersome bag phone in the early 80’s and now they are powerful tools. I don’t want anyone new to EV’s to believe that you can’t count on wind or solar to be a major source of juice . Government should not kill initiatives to advance any/all EV and renewable energy companies based here.

 

[cvollers]

Modern cars are complicated because of FEDERAL emissions standards and safety regulations/standards. We all voted for the people who created the pathway for such regs to exist.

Stop crying about it. Lol.

If people actually learned how to drive before getting a license (to kill), maybe we would have fewer safety remand cars would be simpler.

 

[Luxrage]

Where else can you get a featureless 2-door truck EV for $30k new?

One of the big counter arguments I see on youtube and other places is "This is nowhere near as cheap as the Chinese EVs they are selling for ten thousand!"

Ok... where are they?

I get that they're out there but OUR market doesn't get to have them! Even at $25k a Slate looks appealing against a $39k Kia Nero and a bit more appealing than a $32K Hyundai Kona, especially if you're looking for a pickup bed.