Gas vs Electric cost

[skidoofast]

That is why most EV owners have a second vehicle that is ICE, where I live 240 mile range (probably more like 200) is more than sufficient for day to day, I also occasionally pull a car trailer or dump trailer, I wil still keep my full size pickup, this EV will potentially allow me to keep my full size pickup longer saving me a 50k replacement in a couple of years

plus this vehicle has the potential for my wife to see if it will fit a need for her, it’s 80 miles daily commute for her one way

 

[The Weatherman]

/rant:

First let me say, I have concern over allowing the Chinese EVs into the country at this moment in time. It would absolutely be disastrous to our legacy automakers. However, the battery and EV technology they are delivering is Far Superior to what we know here today.

Charging times are down to 10mins or less for a 400+ mile range. BYD has developed a whole host of electric vehicles from the small cheap in town car to the luxury full loaded touring vehicle that are far less expensive then anything we see here today.

My point is not to support the Chinese industry, it is to say the technology is available to deliver a far superior EV ecosystem then we have developed here in the USA.

Our current governmental administration says they wants more on-shoring of manufacturing in this country, yet they seem dead set on doing what they can to limit (or at least not support) the industry while keeping the latest and greatest technology out of the country.

Bottomline, the electric car industry could be far greater here than it is currently. If we can get all parties to pull in the same direction and support our legacy and upstart auto makers, I’m sure we could close the gap and deliver a much superior vehicle that out performs ICE on EVERY level.

/end rant

 

[skidoofast]

/rant:

First let me say, I have concern over allowing the Chinese EVs into the country at this moment in time. It would absolutely be disastrous to our legacy automakers. However, the battery and EV technology they are delivering is Far Superior to what we know here today.

Charging times are down to 10mins or less for a 400+ mile range. BYD has developed a whole host of electric vehicles from the small cheap in town car to the luxury full loaded touring vehicle that are far less expensive then anything we see here today.

My point is not to support the Chinese industry, it is to say the technology is available to deliver a far superior EV ecosystem then we have developed here in the USA.

Our current governmental administration says they wants more on-shoring of manufacturing in this country, yet they seem dead set on doing what they can to limit (or at least not support) the industry while keeping the latest and greatest technology out of the country.

Bottomline, the electric car industry could be far greater here than it is currently. If we can get all parties to pull in the same direction and support our legacy and upstart auto makers, I’m sure we could close the gap and deliver a much superior vehicle that out performs ICE on EVERY level.

/end rant

I think it really comes down to the will of the buyer, there are a lot of people that feel that EV is not right for them.

Many of them probably only drive 200 per week with the mindset of "what if I wanted to drive across the country in my EV, what a hassle"

The reality is that they haven't traveled in 40 years and its not likely they will start road tripping any time soon, also most Americans own 2,3,4 or even 5 cars so jump in one of the others and drive if that's what you want to do (I personally own 5 cars, an RV and a motorcycle and majority of my driving is done within 50 miles of my house)

a lot of people want apple car play, android auto, all the bells and whistles, but in reality most know where they are going and how to get there

I want to tippy toe into EV and see what I think of it, what my wife thinks of it, does it fit our needs, so price is a big factor, I'm also at the point were simplicity is more appealing

in my part of the country EV's though gaining popularity are the very minority

the funny part is you now have an infotainment system that goes with you (like you always had) no more Sirius XM car subscriptions, now you can have a more cost effective just phone version

Pandora, still there on your phone, Podcasts, yep still there on Spotify

sorry for the rant, thoughts kept popping in my mind

 

[Slater]

I've test driven several EV. All my sedans for the past 35 years have been a BMW 6-Cyl manual RWD. The classic in-line six BMW, especially the modern ones with VANOS, have a very flat torque curve and zero engine vibration because they are naturally balanced, and intake and exhaust noise are well controlled. If one knows how to properly drive a manual, torque is consistent. But yup, 99% of the market wants not to shift gears, they want to with their phone and hope the ADAS saves them from rear ending their fellow road users.

When I was a kid in the 1970s we had an electric garden tractor, so I've understood the charge at home/low maintenance paradigm well before most people. I now have a gas zero-turn for my 5 acres I cut, I really don't miss the Electrak.

If you charge at home EV are great for daily use cases that don't exceed 200 miles in cold climates. That's probably 90% usage. The other 10% is where money is. If most everyone can just charge at home and EV are great, why is their huge political discussion on the charging infrastructure and tax incentives.

EV owners make it sound like public charging is not an issue because they charge at home, yet some additional $21B of private and government investment is needed to ensure EV adoption happens.

I think a lot of the market doesn't mind a trip to the gas station every week to recover 400 miles in 5 minutes. If one has to refuel at 200 miles a charge for 30+ minutes because they no private charging access, it's just a hard sell.

You’re preaching to the wrong choir. Those talking points do not reflect the reality of the majority of drivers.

 

[E90400K]

/rant:

First let me say, I have concern over allowing the Chinese EVs into the country at this moment in time. It would absolutely be disastrous to our legacy automakers. However, the battery and EV technology they are delivering is Far Superior to what we know here today.

Charging times are down to 10mins or less for a 400+ mile range. BYD has developed a whole host of electric vehicles from the small cheap in town car to the luxury full loaded touring vehicle that are far less expensive then anything we see here today.

My point is not to support the Chinese industry, it is to say the technology is available to deliver a far superior EV ecosystem then we have developed here in the USA.

Our current governmental administration says they wants more on-shoring of manufacturing in this country, yet they seem dead set on doing what they can to limit (or at least not support) the industry while keeping the latest and greatest technology out of the country.

Bottomline, the electric car industry could be far greater here than it is currently. If we can get all parties to pull in the same direction and support our legacy and upstart auto makers, I’m sure we could close the gap and deliver a much superior vehicle that out performs ICE on EVERY level.

/end rant

The previous Administration put a 100% tariff on Chinese EV. Not much news was made about it.

 

[E90400K]

You’re preaching to the wrong choir. Those talking points do not reflect the reality of the majority of drivers.

They are not talking points. They are my evaluation based on what I've read from manufacturers, from the government, and what is stated as private EV charging companies future investment.

 

[E90400K]

I think it really comes down to the will of the buyer, there are a lot of people that feel that EV is not right for them.

Many of them probably only drive 200 per week with the mindset of "what if I wanted to drive across the country in my EV, what a hassle"

The reality is that they haven't traveled in 40 years and its not likely they will start road tripping any time soon, also most Americans own 2,3,4 or even 5 cars so jump in one of the others and drive if that's what you want to do (I personally own 5 cars, an RV and a motorcycle and majority of my driving is done within 50 miles of my house)

a lot of people want apple car play, android auto, all the bells and whistles, but in reality most know where they are going and how to get there

I want to tippy toe into EV and see what I think of it, what my wife thinks of it, does it fit our needs, so price is a big factor, I'm also at the point were simplicity is more appealing

in my part of the country EV's though gaining popularity are the very minority

the funny part is you now have an infotainment system that goes with you (like you always had) no more Sirius XM car subscriptions, now you can have a more cost effective just phone version

Pandora, still there on your phone, Podcasts, yep still there on Spotify

sorry for the rant, thoughts kept popping in my mind

But then who are staying at all the big chain hotels that are found at every intersection of the US Interstate Highway System? Try pulling in after say 8 PM and find a room, especially in summer. Just sayin'

 

[skidoofast]

But then who are staying at all the big chain hotels that are found at every intersection of the US Interstate Highway System? Try pulling in after say 8 PM and find a room, especially in summer. Just sayin'

That would be me with my company car, or on the rare occasion me and my family driving our subaru outback or F 150 but I do understand your point, people do travel, but not the majority all the time

my point is this will be a weekend runner for me, might be the back and forth vehicle for my wife

which I can imagine that it will be that for the majority of the buyers of this kind of vehicle

although i know where the superchargers are from where i live to Minneapolis (250 miles) and it would not be a problem to stop and charge once on the way there, maybe once while there and once on the way back, it would suck to wait for 30 minutes but is doable

 

[The Weatherman]

The previous Administration put a 100% tariff on Chinese EV. Not much news was made about it.

No. The news was made about what they were doing in support of our legacy auto makers and early adopters to help bring the industry into only being 8yrs behind instead of 10.

As I said earlier, I’m not in support of opening the market to Chime at this time. Once the US has made the gains we need to compete, then it’s a different question.

 

[Slater]

They are not talking points. They are my evaluation based on what I've read from manufacturers, from the government, and what is stated as private EV charging companies future investment.

Your evaluation sounds just like the talking points the anti-EV propaganda shepherds deliver to their sheep.