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Instead of making up what-ifs and hand wringing about averages, I take my use case into consideration. I'm relatively unconcerned about if the Slate makes sense to others that are not in my scenario. I hope it works for others, but ultimately, I'm buying the truck for me, not others.
 

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Another article about Slate, not much new we haven’t already seen.

https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2025/jul/22/slate-auto-adjusts-pickup-start-price-to-mid-20s/

Interesting bits:
Our business model was never built upon that tax credit being in place," Barman told The Detroit News at the Reindustrialize summit, a gathering of executives and policy experts focused on bringing manufacturing back to the United States. Slate showed off one of its vehicles at the summit.
"We always viewed it as something that would be great for the customer to be able to get an even more affordable vehicle. But we've always, you know, had a target of being priced in the mid-$20s, and that's what our business case has been built upon," she said.

"We're still doing quite a bit of demolition" on the interior of the production site, Barman told The News. "We're gonna be, within the next few weeks, starting to get into laying in some floors where we had to take (them out) because the depth of the cement there wasn't enough for the equipment we put in. So we're really putting a lot of infrastructure in right now."

Barman said her company aims to source parts domestically wherever possible, with a number of suppliers so far based in the Midwest. But some parts for the truck simply can't be found in the United States anymore, the CEO said, like the truck's manual-crank window regulator, which is sourced from Brazil.

"We're going to be pulling from the whole 35 million used vehicle (market)," Barman said, where shoppers figured they may be forced to settle for fewer safety standards and no warranty. "Now, they can step into a vehicle that has all the latest safety standards, comes with a warranty.

Comments from folks at Ford and RAM:
"It was really interesting seeing that (Slate truck) out there," Paul Stephens, Ford Motor Co.'s global strategy manager, said on a panel at the Reindustrialize summit. "Complexity reduction is one thing, and part-count reduction is another thing too. So when we're looking at future product designs, trying to reduce the number of components while keeping the same task, is one of the top priority items that I've been seeing, and not just at Ford but the industry at large."

And Tim Kuniskis, the CEO of the Ram truck brand who also oversees other U.S. Stellantis NV brands, recently called Slate's approach "super interesting" during a press event.
"The idea behind it, you know, we've talked about that idea a million times. Super interesting. I give (Barman) a lot of credit," he said. "It's a cool idea. Now what's it going to actually transact at in the marketplace where the tax credits are gone and people start to option them up? It's not going to be $20,000. It's going to be $35,000, and by the time you get to $35,000, you're in midsize truck territory."
 

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Instead of making up what-ifs and hand wringing about averages, I take my use case into consideration. I'm relatively unconcerned about if the Slate makes sense to others that are not in my scenario. I hope it works for others, but ultimately, I'm buying the truck for me, not others.
But you have to consider what any vehicle means within the marketplace because it affects the vehicle's availability and whether you can buy it. I'd like to buy a small, lightweight $40K sports sedan with a 215 HP 2.5L in-line 6, manual transmission, rear-wheel drive, big-window green house, with simple intuitive controls and no fricken tech. I'd even consider it as an EV if it remained lightweight and had a 10-minute recharge to get 250 miles of range. But the company that used to specialize in that vehicle doesn't even make it anymore. While there is a large group of enthusiasts who want that same car, there are not enough of us for the business case to make it. On top of that there are too many Government regulations to make such a car affordable. New cars have to have all the safety nannies because people use their cell phones while driving. To make the car not as much a liability, manufacturers brought the phone tech to the dashboard screen and added self-steering and cameras (inside and out) so the car can take control of itself when it detects the driver is not paying attention. The average person these days doesn't give a shit about using good driving techniques and would rather have the car just drive him.
 

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But you have to consider what any vehicle means within the marketplace because it affects the vehicle's availability and whether you can buy it. I'd like to buy a small, lightweight $40K sports sedan with a 215 HP 2.5L in-line 6, manual transmission, rear-wheel drive, big-window green house, with simple intuitive controls and no fricken tech. I'd even consider it as an EV if it remained lightweight and had a 10-minute recharge to get 250 miles of range. But the company that used to specialize in that vehicle doesn't even make it anymore. While there is a large group of enthusiasts who want that same car, there are not enough of us for the business case to make it. On top of that there are too many Government regulations to make such a car affordable. New cars have to have all the safety nannies because people use their cell phones while driving. To make the car not as much a liability, manufacturers brought the phone tech to the dashboard screen and added self-steering and cameras (inside and out) so the car can take control of itself when it detects the driver is not paying attention. The average person these days doesn't give a shit about using good driving techniques and would rather have the car just drive him.
To be frank, I'm not fully following your train of thought here. The discussion is about the Slate Truck at the alluded to price of mid-20's. Discussion about the average consumer is fine, but that's not how people make vehicle purchases. I'm also quite lost on the relevance of a small sports sedan with a straight six, as well as the rant about self-steering and driving techniques and safety nannies.
 

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To be frank, I'm not fully following your train of thought here. The discussion is about the Slate Truck at the alluded to price of mid-20's. Discussion about the average consumer is fine, but that's not how people make vehicle purchases. I'm also quite lost on the relevance of a small sports sedan with a straight six, as well as the rant about self-steering and driving techniques and safety nannies.
My point is there is more input to the market regarding vehicle choice than just your or my individual wants. You said " Instead of making up what-ifs and hand wringing about averages, I take my use case into consideration. I'm relatively unconcerned about if the Slate makes sense to others that are not in my scenario. I hope it works for others, but ultimately, I'm buying the truck for me, not others." The market follows trends defined by the average buyer, so while each of us may want specific things and we all review the market based on our use or needs case, our choices are limited to what "others" want because as a buying group all of us define the market and the auto makers build what they think the market, in general, wants. My point about the sedan is, I want BMW to build another E30 (1984 - 1991) 3-series sports sedan, but the market has moved on from that type of car. The market has moved on for numerous reasons, one being (too much) Government oversight in safety content and environmental impact regulations. The ICEV market now is basically the SUV body type in various sizes available with just 4-cylinder 2.0L turbocharged engines. The EV market is basically the SUV in various sizes and a 250-mile 70 - 85 kWh battery. So, anyone's choices are within those narrow market confines.

It is fantastic Slate is taking a chance with their pickup truck, the question however, is the market there with them?
 

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My point is there is more input to the market regarding vehicle choice than just your or my individual wants. You said " Instead of making up what-ifs and hand wringing about averages, I take my use case into consideration. I'm relatively unconcerned about if the Slate makes sense to others that are not in my scenario. I hope it works for others, but ultimately, I'm buying the truck for me, not others." The market follows trends defined by the average buyer, so while each of us may want specific things and we all review the market based on our use or needs case, our choices are limited to what "others" want because as a buying group all of us define the market and the auto makers build what they think the market, in general, wants. My point about the sedan is, I want BMW to build another E30 (1984 - 1991) 3-series sports sedan, but the market has moved on from that type of car. The market has moved on for numerous reasons, one being (too much) Government oversight in safety content and environmental impact regulations. The ICEV market now is basically the SUV body type in various sizes available with just 4-cylinder 2.0L turbocharged engines. The EV market is basically the SUV in various sizes and a 250-mile 70 - 85 kWh battery. So, anyone's choices are within those narrow market confines.

It is fantastic Slate is taking a chance with their pickup truck, the question however, is the market there with them?
CEO Chris Barman from Slate hopes so.

"We're going to be pulling from the whole 35 million used vehicle (market)," Barman said, where shoppers figured they may be forced to settle for fewer safety standards and no warranty. "Now, they can step into a vehicle that has all the latest safety standards, comes with a warranty.
 

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CEO Chris Barman from Slate hopes so.

"We're going to be pulling from the whole 35 million used vehicle (market)," Barman said, where shoppers figured they may be forced to settle for fewer safety standards and no warranty. "Now, they can step into a vehicle that has all the latest safety standards, comes with a warranty.
I think she is right, very right.
 
 
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