Taller 17" All-Terrain Tires for OEM Wheels

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@Cody posted an image showing a 245/75R17 tire on a Slate alloy wheel and it got me wondering...

The configurator says the Lift Kit provides "the chance to include 32" tires". (I have some doubts about that. What specific 32" tire size can be included?)

Fitting a bigger and heavier tire will degrade performance, reduce range, and increase wear on steering and suspension parts -- but by how much?

That's an important question because I have a sneaking suspicion that a big, heavy tire could disappoint, particularly if you plan on towing or hauling heavier loads.

Here are some things to consider.

Unsprung Mass
The steering and suspension components are put under extra stress when the whee-and-tire combination is heavier. A spring and shock that's been engineered for a certain weight of tire+wheel combination will work differently (sub-optimally) when you increase the tire+wheel weight.

Rotational Mass
Are there any bike enthusiasts here? If so, they're nodding about this one. The wheel+tire unit acts as a flywheel. When you increase the rotating mass it's harder to get the tire+wheel unit spinning (or slow it down, for that matter). This effect has two parameters: weight and diameter. Two tires of the same weight, but different diameters, will be different, where the larger one requires more energy to spin up and slow down.

Gearing Effect
When people plus-size tires on a typical 4x4 they can re-gear their differentials to compensate for larger tire diameter, bringing things back to normal. I doubt Slate will provide for any similar re-gearing capability. You can use revolutions-per-mile to determine the extent of this effect. For example, going from the stock size (29.5") to a 32" tire means 683 revs/mile reduces to 631 revs. If I'm mathing correctly, you'd need to change the final drive ratio by 7.5% to equalize the two sizes. Keep in mind, the Slate's drivetrain has only one gear.

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I went searching for alternative tires that fit on the 16x7 OEM wheel.

Here's some cut-and-paste information I found. It's by no means exhaustive. I only looked at three brands, BFG because they're popular, Falken because of what @cvollers wrote in another thread, and Toyo because I prefer Toyo's AT tire. Obviously there are many other good tire choices.

The default stock 17" tire appears to be a 245/65R17. All-Terrain tires are available in that size.

245/65R17 (29.5x9.6)
BFG All-Terrain T/A KO3 : 48 lbs (E)
BFG All-Terrain T/A KO2: 44.1 lbs (E)
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W: 39 lbs (E)
Falken WildPeak A/T4W: 41.9 lbs (E)
Open Country A/T III XL BSW: 36 lbs (Extra Load)
Open Country A/T III XL BSW: 34 lbs (Extra Load)
Open Country A/T III D BSW: 41 lbs (D)

^^^ Note the range of weights, from 34 lbs to 48 lbs(!).

The configurator's "All-Terrain Tire" shows 255/70R17 (not 32").

255/70R17. (31.1x10) - Speedo Error @ 50mph: 52.7 (+5.4% circumference)
BFG All-Terrain T/A KO2: 49.3 lbs (E)
BFG All-Terrain T/A KO3: 50 lbs (E)
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W: 42.3 lbs (E)
Falken WildPeak A/T4W: 43 lbs (E)
Toyo Open Country A/T III: 38 lbs (Standard Load, 2469 lbs)
Toyo Open Country A/T III: 47 lbs (E)

Data and screenshot are from TireSize.com. I have no affiliation.
https://tiresize.com/comparison/

Slate Auto Pickup Truck Taller 17" All-Terrain Tires for OEM Wheels Compare_255-70-17


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Here are some other alternatives:

Slightly taller and narrower than stock 245/65R17
235/75R17 (30.9 x 9.3) - Speedo Error @ 50mph: 52.4 (+4.7% circumference)
BFG KO: N/A
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W: 37.9 lbs, 31.1" (Standard Load)
Toyo Open Country A/T III: 36 lbs, 30.9" (Standard Load)

+1" size (stock 245/65R17 plus an inch in diameter)
245/75R17 (31.5x9.6) - Speedo Error: @ 50mph: 53.4 (+6.8% circumference)
BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2: 49.1 lbs, 31.5" (E)
BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO3: 52.9 lbs, 31.5" (E)
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W: 41.4 lbs, 31.5" (Standard Load)
Falken WildPeak A/T4W: 49.8 lbs, 31.8" (E)
Toyo Open Country A/T III: 47 lbs, 31.5" (E)

Heaviest tire: 52.9 lbs
Lightest tire: 36 lbs
Multiply the difference times four and you have 67.6 extra pound to rotate. larger diameter notwithstanding. Larger diameter is also a "bigger flywheel" to turn and it effectively changes the gearing, similar to having a higher final-drive gear.

Out of these two sizes I think the 235/75's (30.9"x9.3") could be a good conservative choice for the Slate because of weight and diameter. If it doesn't require a lift, all the better.

Screenshot is 235/75R17.
Slate Auto Pickup Truck Taller 17" All-Terrain Tires for OEM Wheels Compare_235-75-17
 
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Here are some other alternatives:

Slightly taller and narrower than stock 245/65R17
235/75R17 (30.9 x 9.3) - Speedo Error @ 50mph: 52.4
BFG KO: N/A
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W: 37.9 lbs, 31.1" (Standard Load)
Toyo Open Country A/T III: 36 lbs, 30.9" (Standard Load)

+1" size (stock 245/65R17 plus an inch in diameter)
245/75R17 (31.5x9.6) - Speedo Error: @ 50mph
BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2: 49.1 lbs, 31.5" (E)
BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO3: 52.9 lbs, 31.5" (E)
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W: 41.4 lbs, 31.5" (Standard Load)
Falken WildPeak A/T4W: 49.8 lbs, 31.8" (E)
Toyo Open Country A/T III: 47 lbs, 31.5" (E)

Heaviest tire: 52.9 lbs
Lightest tire: 36 lbs
Multiply the difference times four and you have 67.6 extra pound to rotate. larger diameter notwithstanding. Larger diameter is also a "bigger flywheel" to turn and it effectively changes the gearing, similar to having a higher final-drive gear.

Out of these two sizes I think the 235/75's (30.9"x9.3") could be a good conservative choice for the Slate because of weight and diameter. If it doesn't require a lift, all the better.

Screenshot is 235/75R17.

Compare_235-75-17.jpg
What is the weight of the stock tire?
 
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What is the weight of the stock tire?
I don't think the specific tire make and model has been determined yet. Just the size.

A typical 245/65R17 (29.5x9.6) All-Season tire weighs about 34 pounds on average, at least among several I looked up during the weekend.

I noticed the weights varied far less among the All-Season tires compared to the All-Terrains.
 
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Here's another alternative.
Not quite 32", but close.
These Pizza Cutters would undoubtedly require the Lift Kit.

235/80R17 (31.8 x 9.3) - Speedo Error @ 50mph: 53.9 (+7.8% circumference)
BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2: 47.7 lbs (E)
BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO3: 49.6 lbs (E)
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W: 48.5 lbs, 31.8" (E)
Falken WildPeak A/T4W: 47.1 lbs, 31.8" (E)
Toyo Open Country A/T III: 46 lbs, 31.8" (E)

Slate Auto Pickup Truck Taller 17" All-Terrain Tires for OEM Wheels Compare_235-80-17
 
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Here are some other alternatives:

Slightly taller and narrower than stock 245/65R17
235/75R17 (30.9 x 9.3) - Speedo Error @ 50mph: 52.4
Will the speedo be mechanical? On our 62 3 on the column I removed and capped the speedo cable and we are using a speedhut gps speedo. No need for math or mechanical failure.

Of interest the gps speedo captures highest speed obtained, that was achieved by my wife on a back road with a bed stacked full of furniture when I was not with her. Allegedly it was 98mph.. 😳
 
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Will the speedo be mechanical? On our 62 3 on the column I removed and capped the speedo cable and we are using a speedhut gps speedo. No need for math or mechanical failure.
I expect the speedometer accuracy to be adjustable via the app.

I put the speedo data in there as a proxy so you can know how different the alternative diameters are from stock, if that makes sense.

Double it to get the percentage. For the 235/75R17 tire it's roughly 4.8% off because the larger tire rotates 30 fewer times per mile.

FWIW, most speedometers come from the factory reading slightly high.

You can plug two sizes into the TireSize.com Comparison Page to see data galore.

Slate Auto Pickup Truck Taller 17" All-Terrain Tires for OEM Wheels 235-75-17_Data


EDIT: Circumference percentages added and typo fixed.
 
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