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Pickup toppers have been a thing since forever. I don't think calling such a thing "an SUV without the seats & rollbar" is useful and I also don't think it's possible. The whole reason for the roll cage is because removing the back wall of the cab reduces the structural stability of the vehicle. The roll cage is necessary in that context (but not the seats, I'll give in on the seats.)
Pretty sure the roll bar serves three functions: 1) protects rear passengers in the event of a rollover, 2) houses the rear seat airbags, and 3) carries the third brake light for the Open Air. If no rear passengers, no need for the roll bar. The Cargo Kit topper can support itself without the roll bar.
 

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I was going to get the Charger EV but after hearing the reviews, I said no way.

For some dumb reason, I just think Dodge release this piece of Sh^$ Daytona EV is simply to allow those who talk much sh^$ about EV to have more Sh^$ to talk about EV...stupid thinking but....people to hates EV after seeing this Daytona EV will have even more sh^$ to talk...just another way to lead people back to ICE vehicles ??
 

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I think you guys are forgetting something. A pickup truck has not just a window, but an entire wall behind the seats that adds structural support to the vehicle. Sure, maybe they move the entire back wall to the back on the SUV, (but then what do you do with the tail gate?) but removing that back wall reduces the structural stability of the vehicle.

I wish I could find the video where this was talked about, but that's one of the purposes of the roll cage.
 

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A "Slate SUV Kit without a topper" is fundamentally different from the type of topper that's been around forever for covering a pickup truck bed. The squareback version functions more like a table leaf.

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If you want to be pedantic, the Slate is a Coupe Utility Vehicle that can be turned into a Sport Utility Vehicle by adding an extension piece to the roof (think: table leaf) that simply moves the rear window further rearward.

Here's another way to look at it: You could buy an 80's K5 Blazer SUV with or without a seat in the back. It's always an SUV, never a pickup with a topper. The reason is because the Blazer's removable roof, while similar to a pickup topper that's been around forever, is fundamentally different.

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I doubt the removable back wall of the Slate's cab functions as a rollbar. If you think it does, then how do you explain the Cargo Kit being available? The purpose of the SUV Kit's rollbar with airbags is to protect rear passengers in the seats.

Panel Trucks have been around forever, too. Probably longer than pickup toppers.

50's:
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60's:
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The Cargo Kit shown on the fleet page of Slate's website is windowless and makes your Slate look like a 20's Panel Truck... I suppose because that's what it is!

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👆 Could use a pop-up sunroof for ventilation.
I could be wrong, but given available information this is what (I think) the key kits will include:

SUV Kit: rear seats, roll bar (with airbags), topper with glass side panels.

Cargo Kit: topper with glass or solid side panels. One can wrap over glass side panels.

Open Air: rear seats, roll bar (with airbags), third brake light mount.
 

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I think you guys are forgetting something. A pickup truck has not just a window, but an entire wall behind the seats that adds structural support to the vehicle. Sure, maybe they move the entire back wall to the back on the SUV, (but then what do you do with the tail gate?) but removing that back wall reduces the structural stability of the vehicle.

I wish I could find the video where this was talked about, but that's one of the purposes of the roll cage.
The cab rear wall doesn’t get removed. It’s a fascia body panel with hinged glass and third brake light that gets removed/relocated to make the SUV and Cargo. That fascia body panel is bolted to the cab rear wall.
 

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I think you guys are forgetting something. A pickup truck has not just a window, but an entire wall behind the seats that adds structural support to the vehicle. Sure, maybe they move the entire back wall to the back on the SUV, (but then what do you do with the tail gate?) but removing that back wall reduces the structural stability of the vehicle.
Didn't forget, just presumed it was obvious that the front of the bed (lower part of the "wall") would be removable. I had it in there, but removed it for brevity. (Brevity... ha!)

The truck cab has a built-in frame you can think of as a hidden roll cage. I don't think the Wall Parts (upper with the window and lower that's the front of the bed) that are removable provide much structural significance. That's a question for the engineers, not an Internet Rando On A Forum such as myself.

I'm just inferring from the existence of a Cargo Kit that you can delete the seats and rollbar from the SUV Kit and be OK.

Edit: @cvollers describes it as a fascia body panel. That's a good way to put it. Superficial, not significantly structural.
 
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A Dodge Charger EV should perform better than a non EV Charger. A Brand New Performance EV for $82,000 should be comparable to the current $82,000 EVs on the market or better.

It should not have 2018 Tech, weigh more and have less features with subpar operating system.

so many Charger EV owners are having lots of problems with the software running the car.

I watch those channels and if they don’t like something I’m probably going to agree with them and it’s my money.

I don’t need an $85,000 Chevy Silverado EV Truck. I like them very much but the SLATE will do fine for what I need a truck to do.
I understand that Stellantis made the Charger EV slower and perform a little less than the ICE version.
 

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it doesn’t seem to occur to this Ram CEO that people can upgrade later instead of needing to pony up an additional “$15K” up front.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...buyers-get-done-optioning-them-up/ar-AA1GAsw7

i’m saving up already hoping to pay cash and add on later if/when I want to.
Adding on this the other aspect is every single person who is interested in the Slate Truck has a price in their head they aren't going to go over. So people will be adding and subtracting customization options to get as close to that price as possible. If they are still a little over than they need to decide whether they are willing to go over for that one feature they really want or to hold off on it and maybe buy it later.

It's a much different process than traditional truck buying since at that point you have already decided to buy the Slate you aren't really comparing to what you can get from competitors. Unlike traditional trims where you compare and contrast different models.

As for base interest: People interested in the Slate are either interested for it in the same way people are interested in Kei Trucks (small cheap bare bones work trucks) and are going for the minimalist approach or are interested in the wide array of customization to make it feel like a 1 of 1 truck. Which none of the big 3 have direct competitors for (closest being the Maverick).
 

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I’m planning to get mine entirely blank with no add ons. It’s what the Slate is supposed to be, and that’s enough for me. Even the wraps, I think, are a little silly. The SUV kit has its place, but just about nothing else does.

It should be a dependable, reliable, simple vehicle, not something you use to pick up chicks at the bar. If you’re planning on using yours for that purpose, making a Slate something impressive to look at, you might need to rethink things in your life.
I disagree to an extent, Slate being basically an American Kei truck and going the minimalist route is one of the appeals of the truck and honestly will likely be the majority of Slate truck owners. Where the configurator is just a question of how barebones of a truck you actually want.

But Slate is aware and is also appealing to potential enthusiasts. With easy DIY addons and wide customization options to make the craziest and quirkiest Slate you can to truly feel like a 1 of 1 Truck. It's why the maker offers starter packs that range from the Blank Slate to more "crazy" options.
 

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Pickup toppers have been a thing since forever. I don't think calling such a thing "an SUV without the seats & rollbar" is useful and I also don't think it's possible. The whole reason for the roll cage is because removing the back wall of the cab reduces the structural stability of the vehicle. The roll cage is necessary in that context (but not the seats, I'll give in on the seats.)
Without the additional seat I see no need to remove that lower portion. Only window needs to open, removal OK, doubt it is structural. Would actually prefer lower panel stays in. pickup with a topper, not a van.

Rollbar likely required for addition passenger safety, not needed with a topper.
 

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Without the additional seat I see no need to remove that lower portion. Only window needs to open, removal OK, doubt it is structural. Would actually prefer lower panel stays in. pickup with a topper, not a van.

Rollbar likely required for addition passenger safety, not needed with a topper.
Oh I heartedly agree, that's why I said above "pickup with a topper" was the appropriate description and not "two seat SUV".
 

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Hmm... Slate has repeatedly and specifically said that all the vehicles will come off the assembly line in only two configurations, regular and large battery. That's it. So I doubt it will be the former idea.

I also doubt they will have a build sheet and have each car come out with different parts attached. Again, they have explicitly said all the vehicles will come off the line identically configured. Now maybe all the cars will come out with no wheels/tires, no bumpers, and no back cab wall, and then there will be an additional assembly step that puts on different wheels/tires, bumpers, SUV shells or back cab walls based on a build sheet after that.

But at any rate, I do think that if they deliver the truck to everybody, along with their purchased options in a separate box, people aren't going to be happy being stuck with bumpers, wheels/tires, and back cab walls that they don't want. That's not to say they won't do this though. After all, it follows the model-T ethos.
Possibly something that gets a closer look? Wonder if more than 1 assembly line?
 

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Without the additional seat I see no need to remove that lower portion. Only window needs to open, removal OK, doubt it is structural. Would actually prefer lower panel stays in. pickup with a topper, not a van.
With the topper installed the window moves to the very back and re-attaches to the topper. The topper acts similar the leaf in an expandable dining table, not like a typical pickup camper shell.

Put another way, a pickup truck Camper Shell (topper) has four walls. A Slate topper just has two side walls.

A "pickup with a topper" is possible, just not with what Slate is offering on the configurator because with those the rear facia of the cab needs to be removed.

I can think of safety reasons to leave the lower portion installed.
 
 
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