Charging Stations Are An Issue In Many Cities

[KevinRS]

The gas stations are owned by big oil and the last thing they would do is encourage the growth in EV's.
Surprisingly our local McDonald's has chargers and it's to encourage you to go inside while the car charges.
In Europe and the UK many supermarkets have them with the same profit driven logic.
https://www.pveurope.eu/e-mobility/...arging-station-attracts-supermarket-customers

Many gas stations are owned by franchisees, and they make little on the gas, most of their profit is from stuff you buy in the store. If they are actually looking to make money, chargers would be a good way. You are stuck there a bit while charging, you are likely go in, get some drinks, snacks, etc. even more than the 5 minutes or so to fill up a tank.
Many may have blinders on to the idea though.

 

[Revenant89]

The gas stations are owned by big oil and the last thing they would do is encourage the growth in EV's.

Lol what?

 

[2thlesswithta2s]

I never use public charging unless on a road trip. There seem to be plenty of options in Texas. A bigger issue to me is cost.. Even with high gas prices public charging is just as expensive if not more so than gas. In my area electricity is fairly cheap so the public charging cost seems absurd.. even for level 2.

I was looking for this kind of info. Can you pre-buy credits at a discount?

 

[Revenant89]

I was looking for this kind of info. Can you pre-buy credits at a discount?

I think most have monthly subscriptions that will give you discounted rates for using their network.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I think most have monthly subscriptions that will give you discounted rates for using their network.

Which charging networks offer these discounted rates with subscriptions? I couldn't find any, but maybe I'm looking wrong.

 

[Revenant89]

Which charging networks offer these discounted rates with subscriptions? I couldn't find any, but maybe I'm looking wrong.

https://www.evgo.com/pricing/
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/
https://blinkcharging.com/charge/blink-members
https://joltcharge.com/us/jolt-plus/

Those are some of the broader networks.. locally you may find others. For example Hyperfuel is starting out in north Dallas offering discounted rates without a subscription.

 

[GaRailroader]

https://www.evgo.com/pricing/
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/
https://blinkcharging.com/charge/blink-members
https://joltcharge.com/us/jolt-plus/

Those are some of the broader networks.. locally you may find others. For example Hyperfuel is starting out in north Dallas offering discounted rates without a subscription.

Also Tesla offers the Tesla rate to non-Tesla owners that pay for a monthly subscription. At least one of the forum members that has a Mach E has the subscription. I think his alias has Metro in it.

 

[Revenant89]

Also Tesla offers the Tesla rate to non-Tesla owners that pay for a monthly subscription. At least one of the forum members that has a Mach E has the subscription. I think his alias has Metro in it.

In usual Tesla fashion I couldn't easily find it. When I did it was vague and provided no actual rates. But a search provided this..

"The Tesla Supercharging Membership costs $12.99 per month (plus applicable tax) in the United States. This subscription is primarily designed for non-Tesla EV owners, though it is also available to Tesla owners in certain contexts to secure discounted rates.

Subscribers receive a 20–25% discount on per-kWh charging costs compared to standard pay-per-use rates. For example, while standard rates in some regions may reach $0.60/kWh, members often pay between $0.36 and $0.47/kWh, depending on location and time of day."

 

[RetiredOnPaper]

I just want to know why electric utilities are not jumping on board with this to sell their "product"?

My suspicion is they have become used to getting government subsidies, and know how to "sell" to politicians and have lost the ability to sell to consumers.

I just charged at a new Tesla V4 supercharger added about 60 miles in about 4 minutes. (40 miles would have done it. I just wanted a bit of cushion.)

 

[NMNeil]

Lol what?

I'm glad to be corrected, but remember this is Shell and they have seen the writing on the wall.
https://insideevs.com/news/713296/shell-closes-1000-gas-stations-to-focus-on-ev-charging/

 

[Revenant89]

I'm glad to be corrected, but remember this is Shell and they have seen the writing on the wall.
https://insideevs.com/news/713296/shell-closes-1000-gas-stations-to-focus-on-ev-charging/

Shell is definitely leading the other energy giants. As they seemed to start before the government was handing out money for it.

Those just happened to be my local examples but most major gas and convenience store chains are installing chargers.

Wawa, Sheetz, Buc-ee’s, Walmart, Circle K, RaceTrac, BP, Pilot, Flying J, Kwik Trip, and 7-Eleven

 

[2thlesswithta2s]

I just want to know why electric utilities are not jumping on board with this to sell their "product"?

My suspicion is they have become used to getting government subsidies, and know how to "sell" to politicians and have lost the ability to sell to consumers.

I just charged at a new Tesla V4 supercharger added about 60 miles in about 4 minutes. (40 miles would have done it. I just wanted a bit of cushion.)

Two reasons:

They're infrastructure limited. There's no reason to create more demand for a product they can't deliver.

EV's are not their biggest growth opportunity: AI is. AI is also the reason they are infrastructure limited. They are concentrating on expanding infrastructure to fill the AI demand. EV's will be an interesting side business.