Charging Stations Are An Issue In Many Cities

[KevinRS]

The gas stations are owned by big oil and the last thing they would do is encourage the growth in EV's.
Surprisingly our local McDonald's has chargers and it's to encourage you to go inside while the car charges.
In Europe and the UK many supermarkets have them with the same profit driven logic.
https://www.pveurope.eu/e-mobility/...arging-station-attracts-supermarket-customers

Many gas stations are owned by franchisees, and they make little on the gas, most of their profit is from stuff you buy in the store. If they are actually looking to make money, chargers would be a good way. You are stuck there a bit while charging, you are likely go in, get some drinks, snacks, etc. even more than the 5 minutes or so to fill up a tank.
Many may have blinders on to the idea though.

 

[Revenant89]

The gas stations are owned by big oil and the last thing they would do is encourage the growth in EV's.

Lol what?

 

[2thlesswithta2s]

I never use public charging unless on a road trip. There seem to be plenty of options in Texas. A bigger issue to me is cost.. Even with high gas prices public charging is just as expensive if not more so than gas. In my area electricity is fairly cheap so the public charging cost seems absurd.. even for level 2.

I was looking for this kind of info. Can you pre-buy credits at a discount?

 

[Revenant89]

I was looking for this kind of info. Can you pre-buy credits at a discount?

I think most have monthly subscriptions that will give you discounted rates for using their network.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I think most have monthly subscriptions that will give you discounted rates for using their network.

Which charging networks offer these discounted rates with subscriptions? I couldn't find any, but maybe I'm looking wrong.

 

[Revenant89]

Which charging networks offer these discounted rates with subscriptions? I couldn't find any, but maybe I'm looking wrong.

https://www.evgo.com/pricing/
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/
https://blinkcharging.com/charge/blink-members
https://joltcharge.com/us/jolt-plus/

Those are some of the broader networks.. locally you may find others. For example Hyperfuel is starting out in north Dallas offering discounted rates without a subscription.

 

[GaRailroader]

https://www.evgo.com/pricing/
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/
https://blinkcharging.com/charge/blink-members
https://joltcharge.com/us/jolt-plus/

Those are some of the broader networks.. locally you may find others. For example Hyperfuel is starting out in north Dallas offering discounted rates without a subscription.

Also Tesla offers the Tesla rate to non-Tesla owners that pay for a monthly subscription. At least one of the forum members that has a Mach E has the subscription. I think his alias has Metro in it.

 

[Revenant89]

Also Tesla offers the Tesla rate to non-Tesla owners that pay for a monthly subscription. At least one of the forum members that has a Mach E has the subscription. I think his alias has Metro in it.

In usual Tesla fashion I couldn't easily find it. When I did it was vague and provided no actual rates. But a search provided this..

"The Tesla Supercharging Membership costs $12.99 per month (plus applicable tax) in the United States. This subscription is primarily designed for non-Tesla EV owners, though it is also available to Tesla owners in certain contexts to secure discounted rates.

Subscribers receive a 20–25% discount on per-kWh charging costs compared to standard pay-per-use rates. For example, while standard rates in some regions may reach $0.60/kWh, members often pay between $0.36 and $0.47/kWh, depending on location and time of day."

 

[RetiredOnPaper]

I just want to know why electric utilities are not jumping on board with this to sell their "product"?

My suspicion is they have become used to getting government subsidies, and know how to "sell" to politicians and have lost the ability to sell to consumers.

I just charged at a new Tesla V4 supercharger added about 60 miles in about 4 minutes. (40 miles would have done it. I just wanted a bit of cushion.)

 

[NMNeil]

Lol what?

I'm glad to be corrected, but remember this is Shell and they have seen the writing on the wall.
https://insideevs.com/news/713296/shell-closes-1000-gas-stations-to-focus-on-ev-charging/

 

[Revenant89]

I'm glad to be corrected, but remember this is Shell and they have seen the writing on the wall.
https://insideevs.com/news/713296/shell-closes-1000-gas-stations-to-focus-on-ev-charging/

Shell is definitely leading the other energy giants. As they seemed to start before the government was handing out money for it.

Those just happened to be my local examples but most major gas and convenience store chains are installing chargers.

Wawa, Sheetz, Buc-ee’s, Walmart, Circle K, RaceTrac, BP, Pilot, Flying J, Kwik Trip, and 7-Eleven

 

[2thlesswithta2s]

I just want to know why electric utilities are not jumping on board with this to sell their "product"?

My suspicion is they have become used to getting government subsidies, and know how to "sell" to politicians and have lost the ability to sell to consumers.

I just charged at a new Tesla V4 supercharger added about 60 miles in about 4 minutes. (40 miles would have done it. I just wanted a bit of cushion.)

Two reasons:

They're infrastructure limited. There's no reason to create more demand for a product they can't deliver.

EV's are not their biggest growth opportunity: AI is. AI is also the reason they are infrastructure limited. They are concentrating on expanding infrastructure to fill the AI demand. EV's will be an interesting side business.

 

[NMNeil]

I just want to know why electric utilities are not jumping on board with this to sell their "product"?

Because the data centers will already buy all the power they have available.

 

[NMNeil]

New Mexico has already drawn up plans for the future of EV charging, but as in all government wish lists it will probably never happen unfortunately.
https://climateprogramportal.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/New-Mexico-FY-2024-Approved-Plan.pdf

 

[pdxmotorhead]

I'm really wanting a Slate truck but after having a Tesla Model Y with the long range I'm worried about paying this much for an EV just to use locally.

I rode around all day one day in the Tesla and decided to go to Tupelo and shop there. Before I got to Tupelo I was worried about the battery dying.

I made it to the Chevy dealership which had a charging station but the plug didn't fit my Tesla. My adapter didn't fit either. Then I had to go all the way across town to the mall and charge. This was several miles away.

I honestly thought I wasn't going to make it to the charging station. I loved the car but sold it because I didn't want to be stranded and have to pay for a tow.

Charging stations need to be at GAS STATIONS so we can charge vehicles without having to drive 30 miles to the nearest charger.

Is there a movement to get EV charging stations scattered across all cities instead of just ONE place in town that's out of the way?

This is one reason many people won't buy an EV. I know you can charge at home and I did but sometimes when you are out driving from town to town you lose track of the battery range and then it's time to worry wondering if I'll make it to the charging station. Which, in my case is miles away.

The NAV on the model Y knows every tesla charger in the world, Plug share can locate most CCS style chargers.. This was a solvable problem... Not to say there are not still states without big charging presence... And NO we don't want to be any where near gas stations, electrical sparks and gasoline fumes don't mix. ,,,,, well they do but they mix badly.. plus they smell bad and most dont have room for 10 to 20 tesla chargers On the new tesla OS you can even have the nav call out optimum charging points as you go.. P