If the Slate PU came only as an ICE, I would buy one.

[E90400K]

Except they're not. The oil pump does not share the same load as a piston.

Neither does the oil pump in an EV.

 

[Dorbiman]

Neither does the oil pump in an EV.

Most EVs don’t have oil pumps

 

[E90400K]

Even assuming dirty energy production, because those power plants do not have to be portable, there can be much more refining in the energy production cycle that increases the efficiency beyond an ICE in an automobile. This means that energy generated for the grid (and therefore EVs) is more efficient, and then is used efficiently in an EV.

Your statement also doesn't account for renewable energy, conveniently.

My statement does account for renewables. Research it.

 

[E90400K]

Most EVs don’t have oil pumps

Tesla do. Hyundai do. Fords do. Lucid do. GMs do. Not sure what your point is.

 

[KevinRS]

Except the same amount of work is spread over 2,000 parts vs. 25. So there is more work load per part with an EV.

The load isn't spread among the parts, they aren't all working in parallel to do the work. More like they are links in a chain. It's only as strong as the weakest link.
Somewhere someone had some info on how much the motor unit likely cost, anyone know where that was?

 

[atreis]

Do the marina's charge more for electrons because it's charged on the water?

No, but they do charge extra for shark removal!

 

[Driven5]

Comparing well-to-tank of EV to tank-to-wheels of ICE has zero logical or rational basis. Well-to-wheels is ~50% (30%-70% depending on location) better for EV than ICE.

Greater load on a part does not make it more likely to fail when it was equivalently engineered for that load.

 

[AZFox]

Not really sure how [far fewer moving parts] is relevant. Something moving doesn't equate to something breaking. The battery doesn't "move" - but there are hundreds of points of failure on it.

Federal law mandates that electric vehicle (EV) batteries must be covered by a warranty for at least eight years or 100,000 miles, so there's that.

You are removing one complexity, and adding a different one.

Yes, precisely.

Removing high complexity and replacing it with different, but significantly lower complexity.

Trying to design and manufacture an affordable small ICE pickup from scratch seems completely unrealistic, whereas doing the same thing as an EV design seems far more achievable.

 

[AZFox]

Here's an interesting article where they found EVs to be vastly more reliable than ICEVs. The most common issue for both types of propulsion was the same: the 12-volt batteries. The issue with more problems for EVs is tires, which I don't think would apply to the Slate at 3,600 pounds with a 200 horsepower motor.

Carscoops: Huge Study Shows EVs More Reliable Than ICE Cars With One Surprising Common Issue

Crucially, 2024 marked the first year ADAC felt it had enough data to confidently say EVs were more reliable. With another year of records, that finding looks even stronger. “For cars first registered between 2020 and 2022, electric vehicles experienced 4.2 breakdowns per 1,000 vehicles,” German outlet Handelsblatt reports. For combustion cars in the same age range, that figure was 10.4.​

 

[GaRailroader]

Here's an interesting article where they found EVs to be vastly more reliable than ICEVs. The most common issue for both types of propulsion was the same: the 12-volt batteries. The issue with more problems for EVs is tires, which I don't think would apply to the Slate at 3,600 pounds with a 200 horsepower motor.

Carscoops: Huge Study Shows EVs More Reliable Than ICE Cars With One Surprising Common Issue

Crucially, 2024 marked the first year ADAC felt it had enough data to confidently say EVs were more reliable. With another year of records, that finding looks even stronger. “For cars first registered between 2020 and 2022, electric vehicles experienced 4.2 breakdowns per 1,000 vehicles,” German outlet Handelsblatt reports. For combustion cars in the same age range, that figure was 10.4.​

I don’t think their collective minds are going to be changed by facts. As they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. Even though the Slate is low power for an EV, it will see a lot more wear on the rear tires than it will the front. The rear is doing all of the accelerating and 95% of the braking if you are halfway decent at one pedal driving.

 

[AZFox]

Even though the Slate is low power for an EV, it will see a lot more wear on the rear tires than it will the front. The rear is doing all of the accelerating and 95% of the braking if you are halfway decent at one pedal driving.

Didn't consider regen braking wearing out rear tires more.

FWIW, the article was about breakdowns, not fast-vs-slow tire wear. Curiously, it also said this about the EV tire issues: "It’s worth pointing out that newer EVs do not seem to suffer from the same problem."

 

[KevinRS]

Didn't consider regen braking wearing out rear tires more.

FWIW, the article was about breakdowns, not fast-vs-slow tire wear. Curiously, it also said this about the EV tire issues: "It’s worth pointing out that newer EVs do not seem to suffer from the same problem."

One reason for early EVs to have had more tire problems was they were often sold with tires picked for low rolling resistance above all else, to get a bit more range. Push a tire choice to an extreme, and it suffers in other areas, like tread wear.

 

[E90400K]

Greater load on a part does not make it more likely to fail when it was equivalently engineered for that load.

Exactly. Every part in any machine has a meantime between failure based on its engineered design and variability in manufacturing tolerances.

 

[E90400K]

Here's an interesting article where they found EVs to be vastly more reliable than ICEVs. The most common issue for both types of propulsion was the same: the 12-volt batteries. The issue with more problems for EVs is tires, which I don't think would apply to the Slate at 3,600 pounds with a 200 horsepower motor.

Carscoops: Huge Study Shows EVs More Reliable Than ICE Cars With One Surprising Common Issue

Crucially, 2024 marked the first year ADAC felt it had enough data to confidently say EVs were more reliable. With another year of records, that finding looks even stronger. “For cars first registered between 2020 and 2022, electric vehicles experienced 4.2 breakdowns per 1,000 vehicles,” German outlet Handelsblatt reports. For combustion cars in the same age range, that figure was 10.4.​

From the article:

"Of course, EVs are also devoid of potential ICE issues regardless of age. They don’t have oil to replace, nor the complex propulsion system that an internal combustion engine is, and as a result, they have fewer pieces that can break."

What is this statement trying to say? Again, blah blah blah about ICE have more parts and (unknown to anyone) ICE require oil changes. How is the requirement for routine maintenance for oil changes tied to the frequency of "breakdowns" between ICEV and EV? Why is the need for a routine maintenance item an "issue" and how is it tied to reliability?

"Can break" is not the same as "do break"

Stupid article.

 

[atreis]

Didn't consider regen braking wearing out rear tires more.

FWIW, the article was about breakdowns, not fast-vs-slow tire wear. Curiously, it also said this about the EV tire issues: "It’s worth pointing out that newer EVs do not seem to suffer from the same problem."

A lot of EVs will ramp up power in order to try to keep people from spinning their tires and wearing them prematurely.

FWIW, my current EV has 42K miles on it and is still using the OEM tires. Others with the same trim of this car have only gotten 15K miles out of the same tires. It's all down to how one drives. One can burn through tires in an ICE car too, it's just usually harder to do since ICE aren't as torque-heavy as EVs.