Slate app - free or subscription?

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Based on how unprofitable EV cars are for manufacturers and dealers due to lack of service dept labor, it would not surprise me if Slate did offer an optional monthly / annual subscription.

Looking at my 3 EVs, I'd say charging for services is inevitable.
I haven't spent much at all compared to ICE vehicles so Slate might be looking at charging for optional services / features.

My Ford BEV is up for Connected Services renewal and BlueCruise self drive features and looking at renewing them as I use them a lot.

A lot of BEV manufacturers are moving towards subscriptions.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-commits-to-subscriptions-even-after-heated-seat-debacle
It's not just the trends from other EVs that suggests there will be subscription based features. The whole idea of the Slate is that you can buy extras, like DLCs for a video game, for an extra cost. It's a no brainer that Slate will do the same on the software side of things probably more extreme than other manufacturers.
 

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It's not just the trends from other EVs that suggests there will be subscription based features. The whole idea of the Slate is that you can buy extras, like DLCs for a video game, for an extra cost. It's a no brainer that Slate will do the same on the software side of things probably more extreme than other manufacturers.
Yeah, this will be in opposition to the majority opinion here, but I could totally see it too. Slate's Ethos is not to make a great car and never worry about profits.

They want to provide a customizable experience, which is not just physical, but all pieces someone interacts with. Perhaps not at release, but I see a world where Slate sells tons of nickel and dime features that you can choose to buy, or not.

The app with no remote connectivity to the truck offers minimal opportunity for the consumer. Very well could see a USBC dongle being sold with SIM connectivity, that connects the truck to the cloud, offering connectivity anywhere with internet. From there, the subscription options are endless.
 

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Yeah, this will be in opposition to the majority opinion here, but I could totally see it too. Slate's Ethos is not to make a great car and never worry about profits.

They want to provide a customizable experience, which is not just physical, but all pieces someone interacts with. Perhaps not at release, but I see a world where Slate sells tons of nickel and dime features that you can choose to buy, or not.

The app with no remote connectivity to the truck offers minimal opportunity for the consumer. Very well could see a USBC dongle being sold with SIM connectivity, that connects the truck to the cloud, offering connectivity anywhere with internet. From there, the subscription options are endless.
Right, it's customizable, as long as you pay up for each little feature. This then leads to the question of just how open is the truck. Slate will let future owners customize it, but it'll only be approved customization behind a paywall when it comes to software.

Cynic in me says Slate won't open anything up other than a few random CAD files because creating an open software EV platform would go against their bottom line.
 

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Right, it's customizable, as long as you pay up for each little feature. This then leads to the question of just how open is the truck. Slate will let future owners customize it, but it'll only be approved customization behind a paywall when it comes to software.

Cynic in me says Slate won't open anything up other than a few random CAD files because creating an open software EV platform would go against their bottom line.
Agree - if Slate opens up access to their software, it would be a huge liability should someone program incorrectly or even worse, get hacked and cause an accident/fatality.

My current EV has protected features before any software is updated OTA.

First it will download the update via WiFi (unsecured) and then wait for the secure cellular installation (AT&T) server where it will compare the file integrity and checksums before it installs.

Much safer than having the installation be done on unsecured / hackable WiFi.
 
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Yeah, not essential, but if the USB data port that the phone connects to is set up right, it could be added, with a small box with wifi and/or a prepaid sim, that could perform some of the functions a phone would, and could be connected to from a phone remotely, to locate the truck, preheat/cool the cab, check charge state, etc.
Heating I'd only need winter mornings when it would be in home wifi range, could also be done with the fob IF it is capable of that, cooling only on summer days, when leaving work, and likely not in wifi or fob range.
That does sound like putting the "Y" in DIY, though the fact that computer control of some of those things is still concerning to me.

Not so sure, many of us, particularly old farts came from no frills and will comfortable getting back.
The fanciest features I have and appreciate are my daytime running lights and the dinging that reminds me that my keys are still in the ignition when I open the door. I'm the youngest old fart I know.

Based on how unprofitable EV cars are for manufacturers and dealers due to lack of service dept labor, it would not surprise me if Slate did offer an optional monthly / annual subscription.
Heaven forbid that a car company not sell a car at an economically sustainable price. Good news: the Slate business model isn't designed to create a revenue stream for a dealer's service department. You know, no dealers.

Agree - if Slate opens up access to their software, it would be a huge liability should someone program incorrectly or even worse, get hacked and cause an accident/fatality.
If Slate's software can be hacked to cause accidents, it's already more in control than I want it to be. I don't want it to steer into or out of a lane, or decide when to brake or accelerate. Yes, I don't want active driver assist. I don't want fly-by-wire controls.
 

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That does sound like putting the "Y" in DIY, though the fact that computer control of some of those things is still concerning to me.
YOU would be in control, just as much as with any other vehicle. from your phone you could do those things, possibly with no "cloud" involvement.
The fanciest features I have and appreciate are my daytime running lights and the dinging that reminds me that my keys are still in the ignition when I open the door. I'm the youngest old fart I know.

Heaven forbid that a car company not sell a car at an economically sustainable price. Good news: the Slate business model isn't designed to create a revenue stream for a dealer's service department. You know, no dealers.

If Slate's software can be hacked to cause accidents, it's already more in control than I want it to be. I don't want it to steer into or out of a lane, or decide when to brake or accelerate. Yes, I don't want active driver assist. I don't want fly-by-wire controls.
AFAIK no vehicles have been hacked in that way, those kind of controls are in a way firewalled away from remote control. Updates are digitally signed, and encryption and other measures are taken. Even a big company like Ford would face possible bankruptcy if one of their vehicles turned out to be susceptible to that kind of thing. I'm not asking, and I'm doubting Slate would even consider "opening up their software" but they might offer an API so 3rd party software on your phone could access limited data, like battery health, etc.
 

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This was 10 years ago, and nothing more seems to have come of it. Is this kind of threat actually realistic? Even then they likely needed mac addresses and other info from the vehicle to even begin the attack, it was apparently patched, and even though cars are more connected than ever now, we aren't seeing a bunch of these stories, and we aren't hearing about criminals hacking into cars to harm people.
 

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This was 10 years ago, and nothing more seems to have come of it. Is this kind of threat actually realistic? Even then they likely needed mac addresses and other info from the vehicle to even begin the attack, it was apparently patched, and even though cars are more connected than ever now, we aren't seeing a bunch of these stories, and we aren't hearing about criminals hacking into cars to harm people.
You expect more competence from automobile software programmers than I do, especially when it comes to security features.

AP: Hyundai and Kia thefts keep rising despite security fix
 

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You expect more competence from automobile software programmers than I do, especially when it comes to security features.

AP: Hyundai and Kia thefts keep rising despite security fix
In that case, apparently a screwdriver and a USB cable enable the attack, and those brands only use security immobilizer chips on 26% of their vehicles, while others use them on 96%.
With physical access, you can basically digitally hotwire the vehicles. That seems like a case for lawsuits against the manufacturer.
 

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In that case, apparently a screwdriver and a USB cable enable the attack, and those brands only use security immobilizer chips on 26% of their vehicles, while others use them on 96%.
With physical access, you can basically digitally hotwire the vehicles. That seems like a case for lawsuits against the manufacturer.
As cars get more and more connected, we are seeing that automotive manufacturers aren't that great at making secure software. Look at the auto hacking village at DefCon for an example of what's going on. There is another hacking contest, pwn2own, where if you managed to hack the car you got to keep it and someone did.

As the systems in cars are more and more interconnected, its just a matter of time before someone figures out how to control a vehicle (at least immobilization as has already been proven)

https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/23/hackers-conquer-tesla-and-win-a-model-3/

https://www.securityweek.com/hacker...ve-2025-for-charger-os-infotainment-exploits/

https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...r-cyber-vulnerabilities-in-connected-vehicles
 
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With all this, the Slate not having integrated infotainment should be seen as a positive if you are worried about it. There is so much less attack surface available. Possibly by plugging into the truck you could access something, but there is no wireless capability at all as far as we know.
If they did offer a wireless accessory to be able to check status and precondition battery and cab, it would still be a limited device, with limited access, and likely non-functional while driving.
Modern connected cars have cellular, wifi, and bluetooth built-in and active, with audio and data functions. Infotainment is integrated into the rest of the car's functions, which is probably where potential attacks get through.

Again though, while there have been demos of vulnerabilities, AFAIK there have been no actual malicious attacks. An attack would probably have to be targeted at you specifically, takes a lot of effort, and likely physical access or at least very close proximity for a period in advance.
 
 
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