New EV worries

[bloo]

Not the battery but the heat n the vehicle. I used to know the numbers but I think AC was 35000 BTU and heat was 80,000BTU to make it comfy. A lot of AMPS!!

Better check your numbers. 36,000 BTU (3 ton) central air will cool a small home. 80,000 BTU will heat a small home.

Did you mean 3500/8000 BTU ?

 

[mikell]

Better check your numbers. 36,000 BTU (3 ton) central air will cool a small home. 80,000 BTU will heat a small home.

Did you mean 3500/8000 BTU ?

No you're in a box with limited insulation going down the road. Windchill. In the summer it's in the sun.

 

[SparkYellow]

I have considered getting a portable AC unit for car camping in the summer. From checking the specs, all the energy efficient units (EcoFlow Wave2 or portable AC for small rooms) offer 4 digit BTUs (5000~8000). I imagine the capacity of the AC built in a car would be higher but not 10 times higher? The interior space of my old Suburban is less than 70 sq-ft and can benefit from a 5000 BTU AC. 35000 BTU will take a lot of power to run.

 

[bloo]

No you're in a box with limited insulation going down the road. Windchill. In the summer it's in the sun.

Checked it out - and you're more correct on this than I am. Yet judging how the AC in my Seltos performs, I doubt it's anywhere near 35,000 BTU. The heat isn't much better.

FWIW...I swear the AC in the ancient Suzuki Carry 1.2 I drove in was rated for 2.2kW (about 7500 BTU). For reference, my friend's 200ft² mini-apartment is cooled by a 600-Watt aircon. This is Indonesia.

 

[bloo]

The only thing worse that BEV ultra-haters spewing nonsense on the Web, is BEV ultra-fanboys spewing nonsense on the Web.

Hard disagree.

I'm an EV fanboi, yet my level of of... enthusiasm doesn't approach the FUD and invective from the haters. Just a few examples...

Nobody wants electric vehicles. This chestnut has been making the rounds everywhere. As someone who travels extensively to Asia, I can say without a doubt most people want electric vehicles. BYD just built a huge factory in Indonesia and can't buld them fast enough. Indo is the fourth most populous country on Earth (US is number three). That's a lot of nobodys.

Electric vehicles are so unpopular they need subsidies to compete with ICE. Actually, they need dubsidies to compete with China, who heavily subsidizes EV battery tech. The huge tariffs on Chinese EVs will protect US manufacturers in country. However, lack of government backing puts us at a disadvantage worldwide (see Indonesia, above).

Mainstream media has an interest in promoting a female CEO. Just. Wow. I had no idea Slate's CEO was a woman until after I put in my res. If this is true, the media is doing a shitty job getting the message out. And I don't care how much estrogen the CEO has. It has absolutely no bearing on my buying decision.

Here's a good one from the fringe. Electrification as a means of control. Only the elite will be allowed to travel long distances. The rest of us will be limited to shorter EV ranges.

I won't even get into the climate-science denial BS. XKCD explains it much better than I can.

 

[Dorbiman]

Hard disagree.

I'm an EV fanboi, yet my level of of... enthusiasm doesn't approach the FUD and invective from the haters. Just a few examples...

Nobody wants electric vehicles. This chestnut has been making the rounds everywhere. As someone who travels extensively to Asia, I can say without a doubt most people want electric vehicles. BYD just built a huge factory in Indonesia and can't buld them fast enough. Indo is the fourth most populous country on Earth (US is number three). That's a lot of nobodys.

Electric vehicles are so unpopular they need subsidies to compete with ICE. Actually, they need dubsidies to compete with China, who heavily subsidizes EV battery tech. The huge tariffs on Chinese EVs will protect US manufacturers in country. However, lack of government backing puts us at a disadvantage worldwide (see Indonesia, above).

Mainstream media has an interest in promoting a female CEO. Just. Wow. I had no idea Slate's CEO was a woman until after I put in my res. If this is true, the media is doing a shitty job getting the message out. And I don't care how much estrogen the CEO has. It has absolutely no bearing on my buying decision.

Here's a good one from the fringe. Electrification as a means of control. Only the elite will be allowed to travel long distances. The rest of us will be limited to shorter EV ranges.

I won't even get into the climate-science denial BS. XKCD explains it much better than I can.

The one that I get annoyed at is the sentiment that Chinese EVs (or cars in general) are garbage. A) it's just not true anymore and B) it's willful ignorance.

 

[AKrietzer]

The one that I get annoyed at is the sentiment that Chinese EVs (or cars in general) are garbage. A) it's just not true anymore and B) it's willful ignorance.

I think the issue is US has crash tests, and cars sold here have rules to follow, what is OK to sell in China does not necessarily pass our codes. Are air bags required in China?

 

[Dorbiman]

I think the issue is US has crash tests, and cars sold here have rules to follow, what is OK to sell in China does not necessarily pass our codes. Are air bags required in China?

Yep. These EVs also have to pass crash tests in the EU. The offerings from BYD like the Seal, Dolphin, Atto 3 etc all got 5 star NCAP ratings in the EU.

Also, China has built cars for the US for years now. The Polestar 2, a slew of Volvos, many Buicks, etc.

The only reason more Chinese built cars aren’t sold in the US is because of tariffs.

 

[AKrietzer]

Yep. These EVs also have to pass crash tests in the EU. The offerings from BYD like the Seal, Dolphin, Atto 3 etc all got 5 star NCAP ratings in the EU.

Also, China has built cars for the US for years now. The Polestar 2, a slew of Volvos, many Buicks, etc.

The only reason more Chinese built cars aren’t sold in the US is because of tariffs.

How many Polestar vehicles are sold here? I would like to see and test drive a Byd truck, but there is some reason (besides tarrifs) they are not even trying to sell here.

 

[Dorbiman]

How many Polestar vehicles are sold here? I would like to see and test drive a Byd truck, but there is some reason (besides tarrifs) they are not even trying to sell here.

Quite a few Polestar 2's. I just saw one yesterday! I'm actually considering a used one. They can be had for very reasonable prices right now.

 

[E90400K]

Yep. These EVs also have to pass crash tests in the EU. The offerings from BYD like the Seal, Dolphin, Atto 3 etc all got 5 star NCAP ratings in the EU.

Also, China has built cars for the US for years now. The Polestar 2, a slew of Volvos, many Buicks, etc.

The only reason more Chinese built cars aren’t sold in the US is because of tariffs.

The only reason more American cars aren't sold in China is because of tariffs.

 

[OldGoat]

As a new - first time -;(not yet- ) EV owner what do I need to know about batteries?
For those worried about your EV battery failing STOP. The warranty keeps you going for many years.
Unless….if you are driving 30K + a year, unable to have a home charger, live in a rural area…..probably not a good idea to buy an EV at this time. And freezing weather really does do a number on your range so being able to “top off” at home is important. But I learned in the first winter with my EV that I worried too much for nothing. I could still drive wherever and whenever I wanted since the big majority of my round trips were under 150 miles. If I opt for the shorter range Slate battery, I’ll still be good for most winter driving I do. And envy those of you in warmer winter climates who will enjoy better range. I’ll miss heated seats which allow me to rely less on the vehicle HVAC.

 

[Dorbiman]

The only reason more American cars aren't sold in China is because of tariffs.

I'm not sure I agree, but to each their own.

 

[GaRailroader]

Tesla's charging motto is the ABCs of charging or 'Always Be Charging'. I didn't heed that advice over the 7.25 year life of my Tesla Model 3 and now my battery SOH is 82%. If the battery deteriorated down to less than 70% SOH in the next 9 months then I would be due a warranty replacement. It is unlikely to happen but certainly a 1st world problem to have a 262 mile maximum range instead of the 320 mile range it had when it was new.

I think the lesson learned is that you do more battery degradation on 1 cycle 80% to 20% back to 80% then you do on (3) cycles of 80% to 60% back to 80%. Obviously, on road trips you are not going to be able to do the 80/60 rule but my Tesla probably spends 350 nights per year in my home garage.