If the Slate PU came only as an ICE, I would buy one.

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Over 7 years of EV (Tesla) ownership and I am done with ICE (ICEV is the worst of both worlds).The fact that Slate is a stripped down small pickup perfect for yard work and home DIY projects makes it, for me, the perfect second vehicle.
 

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I would not be interested if it was only ICE. It's not the perfect vehicle for me but the EV aspect helps give it enough pros vs cons to put it at the top of my list.
 

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Many ICE vehicles have their “surprise!” jumbo repair bills. I oughta know as I’ve had the dreaded Subaru head gasket, Honda intercooler, Dodge clutch debacles and could list many more. Worst was Jeep transfer case which thank Zeus got warranty coverage after a battle royale with Mercedes. It’s too early to tell what awaits we EV owners until more years/miles factor in. Debates about whether ICE or EV is cheaper to operate over the long haul are speculative at best yet often informative. Short of a complete battery failure (out of warranty) it looks favorable for EV’s. We do know simple is good when it comes to product longevity and Slate appears to be tracking that direction.
One thing I do know is when it’s arctic cold out, I can warm the cabin of my EV with the garage doors closed with no noxious fumes entering the house….or me.
 

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Many ICE vehicles have their “surprise!” jumbo repair bills. I oughta know as I’ve had the dreaded Subaru head gasket, Honda intercooler, Dodge clutch debacles and could list many more. Worst was Jeep transfer case which thank Zeus got warranty coverage after a battle royale with Mercedes. It’s too early to tell what awaits we EV owners until more years/miles factor in. Debates about whether ICE or EV is cheaper to operate over the long haul are speculative at best yet often informative. Short of a complete battery failure (out of warranty) it looks favorable for EV’s. We do know simple is good when it comes to product longevity and Slate appears to be tracking that direction.
One thing I do know is when it’s arctic cold out, I can warm the cabin of my EV with the garage doors closed with no noxious fumes entering the house….or me.
That's really more of a Subaru problem and their insane persistence on using the boxer engine they can't seem to make reliable. Stuff like radiators and heat exchangers aren't routine items. The issues you mention with MOPAR are just usual MOPAR things. They're the butt of jokes for a reason.

The thing is ICE can be simple and reliable while meeting emissions standards like the GM LV7 has done. Maintenance can be performed by any experienced shadetree with a few basic tools. EV aren't there yet but if Slate delivers on their promise of making the truck actually DIY friendly, that may change soon.
 

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To many the appeal of the Slate is the overall package of simplicity. An ICE would be a more complex system in an otherwise simple package.
ICE would be a no-go for me because the likelihood that a startup could somehow create a well-executed reliable ICEV from scratch seems.extremely low.

OTOH, designing and creating an EV from scratch seems far more achievable.
 

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My current ICE vehicle, last time I took it to the dealer, the tech heard a whine that means the transmission pump is failing. $7k to replace the transmission. Not something where they replace a pump or anything, just swap the whole transmission.
KBB is listing the private sale value at around $4k, so I'd be $3k in the hole to fix it.
Over 10 years, 8 months and 114k miles I've spent $12.6k on gas, $5.3k on service. on a car that was $16.7k new.
Gas prices have gone up a lot in that time, and that will be eliminated with an EV, I expect that charging will be completely or nearly completely covered by the soar I already have.

Just what could add up to that on service on the Slate? Battery, yes, but most appear to be enjoying long life on their batteries.
 

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My current ICE vehicle, last time I took it to the dealer, the tech heard a whine that means the transmission pump is failing. $7k to replace the transmission. Not something where they replace a pump or anything, just swap the whole transmission.
KBB is listing the private sale value at around $4k, so I'd be $3k in the hole to fix it.
Over 10 years, 8 months and 114k miles I've spent $12.6k on gas, $5.3k on service. on a car that was $16.7k new.
Gas prices have gone up a lot in that time, and that will be eliminated with an EV, I expect that charging will be completely or nearly completely covered by the soar I already have.

Just what could add up to that on service on the Slate? Battery, yes, but most appear to be enjoying long life on their batteries.
Wow. Very well said. I don't have an answer to your question. With respect to your battery life comment. I suspect that generally, outright battery failures happen during the battery warranty period and if they make it to the warranty expiration that they will probably die of slow steady degradation. I was looking at used Teslas at a nearby used car dealer over the weekend and a salesman told me that he recently sold a BMW i3 to a man that was buying a car for his wife and the battery had degraded to where it only had 40 miles of range when fully charged. The man told him his wife only drove around town and 40 miles was plenty for her. I think a lot of older EV's will get relegated to a less demanding duty cycle as they age instead of having that tranny situation you have with your car. My mother-in-law drives about 1200 miles per year so an EV that is limited to 40 miles of range would not be a constraint or her.
 

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ICE would be a no-go for me because the likelihood that a startup could somehow create a well-executed reliable ICEV from scratch seems.extremely low.

OTOH, designing and creating an EV from scratch seems far more achievable.
I cannot possibly see how that would be the case. The industry has a huge well-experienced ICEV supply chain and engineers to go along with it.
 

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My current ICE vehicle, last time I took it to the dealer, the tech heard a whine that means the transmission pump is failing. $7k to replace the transmission. Not something where they replace a pump or anything, just swap the whole transmission.
KBB is listing the private sale value at around $4k, so I'd be $3k in the hole to fix it.
Over 10 years, 8 months and 114k miles I've spent $12.6k on gas, $5.3k on service. on a car that was $16.7k new.
Gas prices have gone up a lot in that time, and that will be eliminated with an EV, I expect that charging will be completely or nearly completely covered by the soar I already have.

Just what could add up to that on service on the Slate? Battery, yes, but most appear to be enjoying long life on their batteries.
A total of 30-cents per mile, and of that 4.6-cents per mile for maintenance, that is actually pretty good. Forbes cites 6-cents per mile for EV maintenance and 10-cents for ICEV.
 

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A total of 30-cents per mile, and of that 4.6-cents per mile for maintenance, that is actually pretty good. Forbes cites 6-cents per mile for EV maintenance and 10-cents for ICEV.
I chose the Versa because it was listed at the time as the vehicle with the lowest total cost of ownership overall. Of course that would have been for the more basic model without the CVT.
 

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I chose the Versa because it was listed at the time as the vehicle with the lowest total cost of ownership overall. Of course that would have been for the more basic model without the CVT.
My daily driver BMW 3-series cost me $30-cents per mile over its 19-year 426,000-mile lifetime. I DIY'd 95% of the service and repairs. If I add in the estimate of labor savings, it's 35-cents per mile.
 

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A total of 30-cents per mile, and of that 4.6-cents per mile for maintenance, that is actually pretty good. Forbes cites 6-cents per mile for EV maintenance and 10-cents for ICEV.
By my rough calculations an EV Truck would cost at least $1,000 less per year to operate.

That's not my main reason for saying "no-go" on an ICEV version though.

No amount of engineering and design brilliance on the part of a startup could pull off a perfect (or, to be fair, let's say near-perfect) execution of creating an ICEV truck engine and drivetrain from scratch. Not even the legacy auto makers can do that every time, and they've all done it before.
 

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By my rough calculations an EV Truck would cost at least $1,000 less per year to operate.

That's not my main reason for saying "no-go" on an ICEV version though.

No amount of engineering and design brilliance on the part of a startup could pull off a perfect (or, to be fair, let's say near-perfect) execution of creating an ICEV truck engine and drivetrain from scratch. Not even the legacy auto makers can do that every time, and they've all done it before.
I’m fully expecting to save at least $1500/yr on gas alone, everything else can be same.
 

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I cannot possibly see how that would be the case. The industry has a huge well-experienced ICEV supply chain and engineers to go along with it.
Yes... But the cost to develop and set up production for just a single modern emissions compliant engine family from scratch, not even including the transmission, is in the hundreds-of-millions of dollars... So like at least 50% of their entire fundraising so far. The only realistic ICE option would be to buy from a brand that has zero interest in competing in the same space, like Ineos does in using a BMW engine in the Grenadier.
 

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Slate is not just any EV either, it was designed from the start to be as simple as possible. It therefore over time should have low maintenance costs. And I always DIY any repair that I can.

No front wheel drive eliminates 1/2 of the drive train parts. Plus there is therefore no front motor or front inverter to cool.. No heat pump. Affects overall efficiency but is certainly a simplification. Eliminates several parts that will not need to be maintained.

The rear drive train consists of the EDM and a couple of CV half axels. I am guessing (hoping) that in the event of catastrophic failure this unit can be replaced with a DIY operation. Maybe buy a replacement unit from a junk yard.

I am guessing the HVAC unit is high voltage and maybe also the PTC heater. I will certainly ask Slate about the difficulty and any personal risk there is to work on these units. If I can I will. I expect that everything else will be 12 volts.

In summary, I am expecting to minimize maintenance cost due to Slate being a simpler vehicle with relatively fewer parts to fail and to do it myself.
 
 
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