If the Slate PU came only as an ICE, I would buy one.

[Daemoch]

It totally didn't register at first that you actually just said Car B has the more reliable drivetrain than Car A.

...My work here is done.

Putting on my Rules Not-Z hat:
I hate to side with the person that isn't getting the data right, but you didnt specify if you meant by pre or post failure and raw number (of how many) or percent.

So assuming identical starting volumes for A and B, if A only ever has a single problem, and its 100% likely to be the drivetrain, then its rate of cause of failure due to drivetrain is 100% ....so if we only measure post-failure, then yes, B has a "more reliable drivetrain" since it has a very small % of failures caused by drivetrain.

Even though B is the most unreliable POS ever made.

I'm going back to my popcorn while I watch this trainwreck.

 

[KevinRS]

Putting on my Rules Not-Z hat:
I hate to side with the person that isn't getting the data right, but you didnt specify if you meant by pre or post failure and raw number (of how many) or percent.

So assuming identical starting volumes for A and B, if A only ever has a single problem, and its 100% likely to be the drivetrain, then its rate of cause of failure due to drivetrain is 100% ....so if we only measure post-failure, then yes, B has a "more reliable drivetrain" since it has a very small % of failures caused by drivetrain.

Even though B is the most unreliable POS ever made.

I'm going back to my popcorn while I watch this trainwreck.

Don't bring this back to life

 

[Driven5]

...but you didnt specify if you meant by pre or post failure and raw number (of how many) or percent.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. The scenario included the necessary relevant percentages and post-failure verbiage... Not that pre vs post failure actually matters for the purposes of this exercise.

So assuming identical starting volumes for A and B, if A only ever has a single problem, and its 100% likely to be the drivetrain, then its rate of cause of failure due to drivetrain is 100% ....so if we only measure post-failure, then yes, B has a "more reliable drivetrain" since it has a very small % of failures caused by drivetrain.

I have no idea what you're talking about here either. The 'rate of cause of failure' you are referencing is nothing more than the mode failure percentage... Which while it is one factor in the 'reliability' equation, it is NOT in and of itself a measure of reliability... And thus cannot be (validly) evaluated on a stand-alone basis as attempted above. Garbage in equals garbage out.

 

[SparkYellow]

... Yet, I've driven over 1.6M miles in ICEV with most of my cars reaching 200,000 miles or more, one went 426,000 miles, still running perfectly when a recent flood totaled it. In 1.6M miles I've never had a failure of a rotating part ever. Twice I needed a tow home, both due to cooling system failures at very high mileages.

That is very impressive! May I ask what car makes/models? I have zero experience with farm equipment. I gather you stick with short OCI? Does water pump count as a rotating part? My MINI has 202K+ miles, still with the original engine, transmission, and clutch, but many smaller components have failed and got replaced. This summer I was tackling misfiring before it refused to start. My daily driver has 167K+ miles and I am prepared to replace the thermostat and water pump as a preventive measure. The coolant flow is managed electronically so the valve is also a cause for concerns.

Over the years there has been a lot of work to keep the cars running. I do as much as I can, and take them to indie mechanics for what I cannot. While I enjoy wrenching, I would like a low-maintenance EV for a change. 😅

 

[bloo]

The reason Slate succeeds as an EV is because they always say the least interesting thing about it is that it is an EV. All that means is that it adds to Slates long term affordability.

And that's why I'm here. I've wanted a small two-door truck for a decade. Too bad the last real Ranger rolled off the line in 2011.

I would buy Slate as an ICE if...

- small gas engine, like 1.6l / 120hp and not direct injection
- 6AT or 5MT, no CVT
- 32mpg highway or more
- small body with two doors (like it is now)
- less than 25K

 

[Letas]

And that's why I'm here. I've wanted a small two-door truck for a decade. Too bad the last real Ranger rolled off the line in 2011.

I would buy Slate as an ICE if...

- small gas engine, like 1.6l / 120hp and not direct injection
- 6AT or 5MT, no CVT
- 32mpg highway or more
- small body with two doors (like it is now)
- less than 25K

Steven Tyler said it best, Dream on!

 

[sodamo]

And that's why I'm here. I've wanted a small two-door truck for a decade. Too bad the last real Ranger rolled off the line in 2011.

I would buy Slate as an ICE if...

- small gas engine, like 1.6l / 120hp and not direct injection
- 6AT or 5MT, no CVT
- 32mpg highway or more
- small body with two doors (like it is now)
- less than 25K

Can we assume you have conveyed this wish to current ICE vehicle makers?

 

[bloo]

These are already being built - just not for the US market.

 

[SparkYellow]

And that's why I'm here. I've wanted a small two-door truck for a decade. Too bad the last real Ranger rolled off the line in 2011.

I would buy Slate as an ICE if...

- small gas engine, like 1.6l / 120hp and not direct injection
- 6AT or 5MT, no CVT
- 32mpg highway or more
- small body with two doors (like it is now)
- less than 25K

Will it need forced induction or a compact bodystyle?

I have a car that is small-body with two doors, 6 speed manual, 1.6L engine naturally aspirated. It gets over 35 mpg with a short ram (hot air) intake. It is a 2nd gen MINI. Even among MINI owners, the 1.6L NA is looked down upon as underpowered. I have had loads of fun shifting gears while climbing steep mountain roads with ease. Still, most consider it inadequate even for daily/spirited driving, due to the absence of a supercharger or turbo charger. 😬

It was around $22K when bought new in 2011. The only discount I got was $500 for manual.

 

[E90400K]

That is very impressive! May I ask what car makes/models? I have zero experience with farm equipment. I gather you stick with short OCI? Does water pump count as a rotating part? My MINI has 202K+ miles, still with the original engine, transmission, and clutch, but many smaller components have failed and got replaced. This summer I was tackling misfiring before it refused to start. My daily driver has 167K+ miles and I am prepared to replace the thermostat and water pump as a preventive measure. The coolant flow is managed electronically so the valve is also a cause for concerns.

Over the years there have been a lot of work to keep the cars running. I do as much as I can, and take them to indie mechanics for what I cannot. While I enjoy wrenching, I would like a low-maintenance EV for a change. 😅

I pretty much follow the manufacturer's schedule for preventative maintenance/oil changes. For example, the 426,000-mile BMW E90 had a lifetime average OCI of 12,150 miles. The car was driven properly as a BMW should and likes to be driven.