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One of the few pictures of seen of the rear suspension had quite a bit of an angle on the panhard bar. How much of this do you think was just due to be unloaded? Sitting on the ground, do we expect it will be pretty much level? And if it isn't, I wonder how hard it would be to get it level?
 

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Why would it matter?
The panhard bar locates the axle side to side(de dion axle, in this case). Because one side is attached to the frame, and the other to the axle, it causes the axle to shift to one side relative to the rest of the vehicle as it goes through its range of motion. So ideally, you want the panhard bar as close to level as possible at ride height to minimize that movement.

 

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A "watts link" is a better design for keeping the axle centered, but can be harder to package.

 

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Assuming the link is about 48" long and sitting at about 10 degrees (a guess from the photo), then 4 inches of compression will yield about a half inch of lateral body movement at the rear. Call me crazy, but my expectations for ride quality and handling for the Blank Slate are pretty low (and I'm ok with that). If Panhard induced body movement is the biggest deficiency, I'll be thrilled.
 

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Good discussion. I’m curious to see how a suspension lift will affect this geometry, and if both front / rear axles will use spacers or some other technique.
 

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Assuming the link is about 48" long and sitting at about 10 degrees (a guess from the photo), then 4 inches of compression will yield about a half inch of lateral body movement at the rear. Call me crazy, but my expectations for ride quality and handling for the Blank Slate are pretty low (and I'm ok with that). If Panhard induced body movement is the biggest deficiency, I'll be thrilled.
I'll bet it'll still handle better than a solid axle on leaf springs with no additional lateral link, the way most small trucks were, haha.

Edit: just looking at that photo of the Slate's panhard bar, and I noticed that it's on the all terrain tires, so that might be the angle with the 2" lift. So it would be closer to level at stock height, and very close to level at lowered height, when you're most likely to care about handling dynamics.
 
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Assuming the link is about 48" long and sitting at about 10 degrees (a guess from the photo), then 4 inches of compression will yield about a half inch of lateral body movement at the rear. Call me crazy, but my expectations for ride quality and handling for the Blank Slate are pretty low (and I'm ok with that). If Panhard induced body movement is the biggest deficiency, I'll be thrilled.
While lateral movement is pretty good. I'm looking to better control the roll center. With it angled like the picture it moves vertically and laterally during roll. Getting the bar level minimizes that and would make it more stable in transitions and at higher speeds. Is there a huge difference? Not really, but it is still better than stock.

Good discussion. I’m curious to see how a suspension lift will affect this geometry, and if both front / rear axles will use spacers or some other technique.
The more you lift it the more that angle changes. If you lift it enough, you would want to address the angle of the bar. As that angle gets worse you'll start notice more sideways movements over bumps, a difference in right vs left hand turns.

The front end is a different animal using a Macpherson strut.
 

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The front end is a different animal using a Macpherson strut.
I'm curious how the control arm angles will end up at -2", stock, and +2"
Extended length ball joints might be helpful for roll center correction when lowered, but that depends on how the rest of the geometry shakes out.
 
 
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