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it takes zero minutes to fuel the slate because it fuels at night when you are asleep. There is no need to go to the gas station at all.
I agree. The thing is, If I like the Slate as much as I think I will, I don't need 2 vehicles. Or, I can justify them by using the Slate M-F and the Taco for serious desert use on weekends.

I think with the weight (maybe??) and range anxiety, using the Slate for weekend desert explorations is not an option at this time.
I have a 2010 tundra that I love. If the slate makes it Im trying to decide if I want to sell the tundra. The only issue with the tundra is that it is too big to be a daily driver.

my perfect combo is a daily driver truck and a sprinter style EREV that I can use to drive family+friends around town.
 

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Two digits for the Tacoma, but it has a relatively small capacity.

Recently a receipt printer was broken, so I took a snapshot of the pump How many miles could a Slate Truck drive on $106.33's worth of electrons?

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On the public network at $0.342 per kW (which is low per the internet average @45-cents kW), I calculate 885 miles. A hybrid Maverick at 33 MPG and $3.17/gal (national average) will go 1,107 miles.
 

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On the public network at $0.342 per kW (which is low per the internet average @45-cents kW), I calculate 885 miles. A hybrid Maverick at 33 MPG and $3.17/gal (national average) will go 1,107 miles.
And on my home solar, excess production that is $106.33 that stays in my pocket.
 

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And it can hurt.
innocently walk up to your truch, grab the door handle, and ZAP
Truch?


The word "truch" is not a standard English word. It might be a misspelling, a dialectal term, or a word from a specific context. If you're referring to the word "trust," it means to have confidence in someone or something.
 

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Truch?


The word "truch" is not a standard English word. It might be a misspelling, a dialectal term, or a word from a specific context. If you're referring to the word "trust," it means to have confidence in someone or something.
Got me 😁 and my fingers TRUCK
 

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And on my home solar, excess production that is $106.33 that stays in my pocket.
Good for you, but not good for the average income person who lives in an apartment, doesn't have solar energy and has no access to private overnight L2 charging. Such a person would have to rely on the public charging network, and said person would represent some of the market share Slate is trying to capture with their low-price EV truck. The truck price may be low, but the refueling costs are more than gasoline and the truck is range limited vs. wait-time to recharge.
 

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Good for you, but not good for the average income person who lives in an apartment, doesn't have solar energy and has no access to private overnight L2 charging. Such a person would have to rely on the public charging network, and said person would represent some of the market share Slate is trying to capture with their low-price EV truck. The truck price may be low, but the refueling costs are more than gasoline and the truck is range limited vs. wait-time to recharge.
And how many Maverick Hybrid owners? I’d say my observation is as valid as yours.
 

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Two digits for the Tacoma, but it has a relatively small capacity.

Recently a receipt printer was broken, so I took a snapshot of the pump How many miles could a Slate Truck drive on $106.33's worth of electrons?

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At my current super off peak 11p-7a rate I'd go 4395 miles assuming 2.8 miles/kWh and 5023 miles using 3.2 miles/kWh. C&D had an article early on that showed usable battery sizes less than the normal quoted sizes. If you calculate the efficiency using those usable sizes instead of the gross you get 3.2 instead of 2.8.
 

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Good for you, but not good for the average income person who lives in an apartment, doesn't have solar energy and has no access to private overnight L2 charging. Such a person would have to rely on the public charging network, and said person would represent some of the market share Slate is trying to capture with their low-price EV truck. The truck price may be low, but the refueling costs are more than gasoline and the truck is range limited vs. wait-time to recharge.
As an owner of a 150 mile range EV for the last 3-1/2 years, I'd recommend against purchasing a 150 mile range EV if your only means to charge the vehicle is DC fast charging. Not only is it not cost effective you are going to spend a lot of time at DC fast chargers waiting for your car to charge. In 29k miles I have only DC fast charged it 4 times and one of those was on its maiden voyage from the dealer I bought it from in Spartanburg, SC back to my home in Atlanta. Before you purchase an EV, you need to figure out what your charging strategy will be and how expensive it will be. In addition to public DC fast charging there is a lot of public level 2 chargers out there that are a lot cheaper than DC fast charging rates. You may be able to find a public level 2 charger nearby to where you work or live. My 89 year old uncle has a library that has free level 2 charging a couple of blocks from his home. He takes his Bolt over there when it needs a charge and walks back there a few hours later.
 

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I'd be worried about all that leaking electricity after a few years. Have you ever seen electricity stains? Oh, boy!
Imagine this radiating out from the same spot in every parking space!
Slate Auto Pickup Truck Expected price now "Mid-Twenties" for Slate truck 1753163465319-wu


However cars like that have gone for prices that exceed value logic even within their own market. The way people are currently treating many Japanese tuner cars is essentially the same as walking into the dealership and offering to pay double simply because you like the car - its to the point of making no sense. Why this is happening is an entirely different topic, and brainrot, but the point is that there is a place where "its this valuable to ME" stops being a factor.
It's insane what the market is paying for some of these cars, but it's becoming that way with just about every 80s and 90s car. Watching bring a trailer over inflate the value of every moderately clean example of Hondas and Toyotas is painful. Half of these cars I am suspecting are being held as 'appreciating assets' instead of driven, as you'll see them return to bring a trailer later.

I'm not much older than you are, and the only reason I was able to buy what a specialist told me is now 'a toy for the rich' is because I bought it nearly 10 years ago before the market went all over the place and nobody wanted these things.

They tell me now I was ahead of the curve to buy stuff like old walkmen, cheap PS1 and N64, 80s prints, etc, stuff that are now being traded and valued for stupid prices or being held as (equally stupid) investments. But back then I was just painfully uncool.
 
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Yeah you're right. The Toyota hauls more weight and tows more weight. Refuels in 5 minutes and has no range limitations. It does truck stuff.

And it will last 300,000 miles.
Every ICE has range limitations based on fuel economy and the size of the fuel tank. How much does gas cost in your area? In mine, it’s about $4.79/gallon average for regular. That’s a buttload more expensive than kilowatts and not really worth the extra time saved fueling especially if I’m charging overnight. But please keep making these ICE/EV comparisons…it’s fun to shoot them full of holes.
 

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Every ICE has range limitations based on fuel economy and the size of the fuel tank. How much does gas cost in your area? In mine, it’s about $4.79/gallon average for regular. That’s a buttload more expensive than kilowatts and not really worth the extra time saved fueling especially if I’m charging overnight. But please keep making these ICE/EV comparisons…it’s fun to shoot them full of holes.
What holes? Compare the Mustang Mach E and the same-size Escape and the payback is around 64,000 miles for the E-stang. Including maintenance and charging in your sleep at home.

The Slate HAS to be cheap and low content to compete with other low-price single-cab pickups.
 

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Good for you, but not good for the average income person who lives in an apartment, doesn't have solar energy and has no access to private overnight L2 charging. Such a person would have to rely on the public charging network, and said person would represent some of the market share Slate is trying to capture with their low-price EV truck. The truck price may be low, but the refueling costs are more than gasoline and the truck is range limited vs. wait-time to recharge.
your problem is that you are taking averages and applying them to all areas.

There are plenty of areas where gas is expensive and charging is .20 / kwh

in an urban area, gas is especially expensive and the larger maverick is harder to park.

For me the price of gas doesnt matter. it is the convenience of charging at home daily and never having to go out of my way to fill up.

If I lived in an apartment, I would charge at stores where I was shopping. Also many apartment complexes are starting to have chargers.

Ultimately you are just setting up scenarios where it doesnt make sense to have an EV or a slate. Of course those exist. But those are irrelevant. All that matters is that enough people meet the criteria where it does make sense. Who knows if that is enough people.
 
 
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