Ford EV Announcement Aug 11 - livestream registration link

[Neil Nelson]

I watch around 50 YouTube sites from Poland, Germany, France, Britain, the US and others. There will be no fall.

 

[KevinRS]

Aside from higher profits on bigger vehicles, there is a kind of a loophole in emissions laws that helped drive manufacturers away from small trucks. Below a certain weight, the trucks had to meet a tighter emissions standard, and larger vehicle could pollute more. So trucks and SUVs and crossovers all got big enough to not be held to the tight standard, and the small trucks, and many compact cars and sedans died out. Notice what Ford no longer builds besides small trucks?

 

[Dorbiman]

Aside from higher profits on bigger vehicles, there is a kind of a loophole in emissions laws that helped drive manufacturers away from small trucks. Below a certain weight, the trucks had to meet a tighter emissions standard, and larger vehicle could pollute more. So trucks and SUVs and crossovers all got big enough to not be held to the tight standard, and the small trucks, and many compact cars and sedans died out. Notice what Ford no longer builds besides small trucks?

It's a bummer really. Domestic automakers have basically handed that entire segment of the market to foreign autos. Chevrolet doesn't even have a section for Cars anymore. They used to. The only "car" they make now is the Corvette. The only car Ford makes is the Mustang. Dodge only makes the new Charger.

 

[GaRailroader]

Oh, the irony!

I didn't see any winkies, so I gather you're serious.

Consider this: The "news" narratives are created by the wealthy and powerful (so far inarguable) who seek a Transfer of Wealth from you to them (also hard to argue against).

If you're watching the "news" to avoid becoming confused you're riding for a fall.

Fortunately Independent Media now has a foothold and is becoming increasingly relevant.

Mark Twain: If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.

 

[Dorbiman]

Oh, the irony!

I didn't see any winkies, so I gather you're serious.

Consider this: The "news" narratives are created by the wealthy and powerful (so far inarguable) who seek a Transfer of Wealth from you to them (also hard to argue against).

If you're watching the "news" to avoid becoming confused you're riding for a fall.

Fortunately Independent Media now has a foothold and is becoming increasingly relevant.

I'll note that Neil never said to watch "mainstream" news. Media literacy is important.

I'll also note that scientific literacy is perhaps just as important. Arguing against the data because it's upsetting to your current beliefs is a form of motivated reasoning, and closes the door to learning, understanding, and progress.

 

[AZFox]

'll note that Neil never said to watch "mainstream" news. Media literacy is important.

I'll also note that scientific literacy is perhaps just as important. Arguing against the data because it's upsetting to your current beliefs is a form of motivated reasoning, and closes the door to learning, understanding, and progress.

Distinguishing between "mainstream" news and a science journal isn't the point. Neither is geographical news diversity. Climate Alarmism is propagated many ways, only one of which is via Corporate Media Narrative.

There's a concept in education called Reading For Meaning. Think of it as "reading between the lines", but going beyond that.

When someone claims as fact (sheesh) the Climate Alarmism Narrative and then writes "I can see you are quite confused. Just watch the news" it's a pretty good bet "the news" means "the Corporate Media's Climate Alarmist Narrative".

The Climate Alarmist Narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny (to say the least!). This site isn't the place for discussing that.

In a nutshell, "Science" is a method, not a collection of institutions that crank out data and models with assumptions.

I trust The Scientific Method implicitly and without reservation. It's the scientists, and especially their bosses, whom I don't trust.

Follow the money.

 

[Dorbiman]

Distinguishing between "mainstream" news and a science journal isn't the point. Neither is geographical news diversity. Climate Alarmism is propagated many ways, only one of which is via Corporate Media Narrative.

There's a concept in education called Reading For Meaning. Think of it as "reading between the lines", but going beyond that.

When someone claims as fact (sheesh) the Climate Alarmism Narrative and then writes "I can see you are quite confused. Just watch the news" it's a pretty good bet "the news" means "the Corporate Media's Climate Alarmist Narrative".

The Climate Alarmist Narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny (to say the least!). This site isn't the place for discussing that.

In a nutshell, "Science" is a method, not a collection of institutions that crank out data and models with assumptions.

I trust The Scientific Method implicitly and without reservation. It's the scientists, and especially their bosses, whom I don't trust.

Follow the money.

AZ, I think you’re mixing two things together: the science itself, and the politics/media spin around it. It’s fair to distrust institutions or how findings get communicated, but that’s not the same as dismissing the data or methods. Scientific literacy means separating evidence from narrative—otherwise politics ends up standing in for science, and we’re back at motivated reasoning. I’ll leave it there, as like you said, this isn’t the place for this conversation.

 

[AZFox]

AZ, I think you’re mixing two things together

I can assure you I'm not. It's a complex subject with nuance.

this isn’t the place for this conversation.

This. 🦊👍

 

[Luxrage]

It's a bummer really. Domestic automakers have basically handed that entire segment of the market to foreign autos. Chevrolet doesn't even have a section for Cars anymore. They used to. The only "car" they make now is the Corvette. The only car Ford makes is the Mustang. Dodge only makes the new Charger.

Whenever I want to make my day a little worse, I like to go on the Ford Europe car site and look at the Focus ST Wagon we aren't getting state-side.

 

[E90400K]

Distinguishing between "mainstream" news and a science journal isn't the point. Neither is geographical news diversity. Climate Alarmism is propagated many ways, only one of which is via Corporate Media Narrative.

There's a concept in education called Reading For Meaning. Think of it as "reading between the lines", but going beyond that.

When someone claims as fact (sheesh) the Climate Alarmism Narrative and then writes "I can see you are quite confused. Just watch the news" it's a pretty good bet "the news" means "the Corporate Media's Climate Alarmist Narrative".

The Climate Alarmist Narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny (to say the least!). This site isn't the place for discussing that.

In a nutshell, "Science" is a method, not a collection of institutions that crank out data and models with assumptions.

I trust The Scientific Method implicitly and without reservation. It's the scientists, and especially their bosses, whom I don't trust.

Follow the money.

Since this inner thread discussion was about me being "confused" about, as someone said, "climate alarmism", I can assure readers here that I am actually quite well informed on the topic. Being the old codger I am, I grew up in the 1970's when climate activism was gaining a foothold. In the 1970's we were warned of global cooling and fear of low food production with mass global starvation. We were also told the earth was going to run out of oil by 2000 or so.

As a young teenager, these reports in the news had me quite concerned. As a reaction I took on study of the earth's climate history through multiple college scientific courses in astronomy and planetary science, geology, paleontology, and anthropology. That on top of my major in physics and engineering. And all of it before the internet was a commercial invention (i.e. not the DARPA network) where all things are now politiced. I studied science textbooks, which are peered reviewed and not subject to political wind of change since the information is printed on paper.

My observations since the 1970's are (1) food is still plentiful and starvation is a result of political forces rather than the forces of nature, (2) gasoline is still cheap and plentiful and costs about the same as it did in the late 1970's when I started driving.

So when someone tries to tell me I'm confused about climate issues, I just find it amusing. Especially when they do not differenate between climate change and anthropogenic climate change.

'Nuff said...

 

[ScooterAsheville]

Aside from higher profits on bigger vehicles, there is a kind of a loophole in emissions laws that helped drive manufacturers away from small trucks. Below a certain weight, the trucks had to meet a tighter emissions standard, and larger vehicle could pollute more. So trucks and SUVs and crossovers all got big enough to not be held to the tight standard, and the small trucks, and many compact cars and sedans died out. Notice what Ford no longer builds besides small trucks?

Also safety standards. One interesting thing I learned yesterday (from a video where Sandy Munro visited Telo) is that the Telo is considered a bigger class vehicle, even though it is only 152" long (the Slate is 174", the Maverick is 200"). As a result, Telo gets to meet lowered safety standards. That's because safety standards are apparently tied to gross vehicle weight.

It's not only emissions and fuel economy that has more slack the bigger and heavier you get. It's also safety.

I actually started to read FMVSS out of curiosity. It will very quickly make your eyes cross.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/part-571

 

[Doctors Do Little]

Since this inner thread discussion was about me being "confused" about, as someone said, "climate alarmism", I can assure readers here that I am actually quite well informed on the topic. Being the old codger I am, I grew up in the 1970's when climate activism was gaining a foothold. In the 1970's we were warned of global cooling and fear of low food production with mass global starvation. We were also told the earth was going to run out of oil by 2000 or so.

As a young teenager, these reports in the news had me quite concerned. As a reaction I took on study of the earth's climate history through multiple college scientific courses in astronomy and planetary science, geology, paleontology, and anthropology. That on top of my major in physics and engineering. And all of it before the internet was a commercial invention (i.e. not the DARPA network) where all things are now politiced. I studied science textbooks, which are peered reviewed and not subject to political wind of change since the information is printed on paper.

My observations since the 1970's are (1) food is still plentiful and starvation is a result of political forces rather than the forces of nature, (2) gasoline is still cheap and plentiful and costs about the same as it did in the late 1970's when I started driving.

So when someone tries to tell me I'm confused about climate issues, I just find it amusing. Especially when they do not differenate between climate change and anthropogenic climate change.

'Nuff said...

JEEZ. You are a nerd (like you did all of that learnin' voluntarily?).

Gotta lighten this up a little. I came here to read about plastic trucks.

 

[E90400K]

JEEZ. You are a nerd (like you did all of that learnin' voluntarily?).

Gotta lighten this up a little. I came here to read about plastic trucks.

Me too.

 

[cadblu]

Why does every thread seem to go off the rails? i thought the subject was on Ford and the universal platform, with assembly techniques which largely resembles Tesla. I think Ford is on the right track!

 

[Doctors Do Little]

Why does every thread seem to go off the rails? i thought the subject was on Ford and the universal platform, with assembly techniques which largely resembles Tesla. I think Ford is on the right track!

They need to do something differently. I'd be down for a Bronco, but they can't seem to figure out the systems (too many of them lead to Jeep-like unreliability?), so simplification with some Tesla influence would probably be a major step forward.