Ford EV Announcement Aug 11 - livestream registration link

[Neil Nelson]

I watch around 50 YouTube sites from Poland, Germany, France, Britain, the US and others. There will be no fall.

 

[KevinRS]

Aside from higher profits on bigger vehicles, there is a kind of a loophole in emissions laws that helped drive manufacturers away from small trucks. Below a certain weight, the trucks had to meet a tighter emissions standard, and larger vehicle could pollute more. So trucks and SUVs and crossovers all got big enough to not be held to the tight standard, and the small trucks, and many compact cars and sedans died out. Notice what Ford no longer builds besides small trucks?

 

[Dorbiman]

Aside from higher profits on bigger vehicles, there is a kind of a loophole in emissions laws that helped drive manufacturers away from small trucks. Below a certain weight, the trucks had to meet a tighter emissions standard, and larger vehicle could pollute more. So trucks and SUVs and crossovers all got big enough to not be held to the tight standard, and the small trucks, and many compact cars and sedans died out. Notice what Ford no longer builds besides small trucks?

It's a bummer really. Domestic automakers have basically handed that entire segment of the market to foreign autos. Chevrolet doesn't even have a section for Cars anymore. They used to. The only "car" they make now is the Corvette. The only car Ford makes is the Mustang. Dodge only makes the new Charger.

 

[GaRailroader]

Oh, the irony!

I didn't see any winkies, so I gather you're serious.

Consider this: The "news" narratives are created by the wealthy and powerful (so far inarguable) who seek a Transfer of Wealth from you to them (also hard to argue against).

If you're watching the "news" to avoid becoming confused you're riding for a fall.

Fortunately Independent Media now has a foothold and is becoming increasingly relevant.

Mark Twain: If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.

 

[Dorbiman]

Oh, the irony!

I didn't see any winkies, so I gather you're serious.

Consider this: The "news" narratives are created by the wealthy and powerful (so far inarguable) who seek a Transfer of Wealth from you to them (also hard to argue against).

If you're watching the "news" to avoid becoming confused you're riding for a fall.

Fortunately Independent Media now has a foothold and is becoming increasingly relevant.

I'll note that Neil never said to watch "mainstream" news. Media literacy is important.

I'll also note that scientific literacy is perhaps just as important. Arguing against the data because it's upsetting to your current beliefs is a form of motivated reasoning, and closes the door to learning, understanding, and progress.

 

[AZFox]

'll note that Neil never said to watch "mainstream" news. Media literacy is important.

I'll also note that scientific literacy is perhaps just as important. Arguing against the data because it's upsetting to your current beliefs is a form of motivated reasoning, and closes the door to learning, understanding, and progress.

Distinguishing between "mainstream" news and a science journal isn't the point. Neither is geographical news diversity. Climate Alarmism is propagated many ways, only one of which is via Corporate Media Narrative.

There's a concept in education called Reading For Meaning. Think of it as "reading between the lines", but going beyond that.

When someone claims as fact (sheesh) the Climate Alarmism Narrative and then writes "I can see you are quite confused. Just watch the news" it's a pretty good bet "the news" means "the Corporate Media's Climate Alarmist Narrative".

The Climate Alarmist Narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny (to say the least!). This site isn't the place for discussing that.

In a nutshell, "Science" is a method, not a collection of institutions that crank out data and models with assumptions.

I trust The Scientific Method implicitly and without reservation. It's the scientists, and especially their bosses, whom I don't trust.

Follow the money.

 

[Dorbiman]

Distinguishing between "mainstream" news and a science journal isn't the point. Neither is geographical news diversity. Climate Alarmism is propagated many ways, only one of which is via Corporate Media Narrative.

There's a concept in education called Reading For Meaning. Think of it as "reading between the lines", but going beyond that.

When someone claims as fact (sheesh) the Climate Alarmism Narrative and then writes "I can see you are quite confused. Just watch the news" it's a pretty good bet "the news" means "the Corporate Media's Climate Alarmist Narrative".

The Climate Alarmist Narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny (to say the least!). This site isn't the place for discussing that.

In a nutshell, "Science" is a method, not a collection of institutions that crank out data and models with assumptions.

I trust The Scientific Method implicitly and without reservation. It's the scientists, and especially their bosses, whom I don't trust.

Follow the money.

AZ, I think you’re mixing two things together: the science itself, and the politics/media spin around it. It’s fair to distrust institutions or how findings get communicated, but that’s not the same as dismissing the data or methods. Scientific literacy means separating evidence from narrative—otherwise politics ends up standing in for science, and we’re back at motivated reasoning. I’ll leave it there, as like you said, this isn’t the place for this conversation.

 

[AZFox]

AZ, I think you’re mixing two things together

I can assure you I'm not. It's a complex subject with nuance.

this isn’t the place for this conversation.

This. 🦊👍

 

[Luxrage]

It's a bummer really. Domestic automakers have basically handed that entire segment of the market to foreign autos. Chevrolet doesn't even have a section for Cars anymore. They used to. The only "car" they make now is the Corvette. The only car Ford makes is the Mustang. Dodge only makes the new Charger.

Whenever I want to make my day a little worse, I like to go on the Ford Europe car site and look at the Focus ST Wagon we aren't getting state-side.