The Slate needs a lower price. I know they are not pickups, (most are crossovers/SUVs), but with rebates, % and other deals I can get several other E

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Don’t agree, bigger is not always better. 2019 before Slate was even a 💦. I placed reservation on a $39k Cybertruck, but to this day still haven’t made purchase. Way too much money, reserved for the LeBron’s, Kardashians, and YouTubers!

Will stick with my midsize used $26k MY.
Love my Model Y. Wouldn’t be able to put my tractor in it though.
 

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You are comparing used overly complicated and overly programmed vehicles to a new Slate. I have seen a completely confused newest version of the leaf and no thank you. Let alone Nissan quality is not for me. A vehicle that the manufacturer is stating that a mechanically inclined person can work on and repair themselves is awesome. Tesla opposite. I will pay extra for that.
 

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You are comparing used overly complicated and overly programmed vehicles to a new Slate. I have seen a completely confused newest version of the leaf and no thank you. Let alone Nissan quality is not for me. A vehicle that the manufacturer is stating that a mechanically inclined person can work on and repair themselves is awesome. Tesla opposite. I will pay extra for that.
I will say, of all brands, give Tesla their deserved credit. They have opened all their service manuals to the public. They are for the most part, very simple. Especially model 3 and Y. Parts are cheap and now readily available. Service mode built into the screen for diagnostics and codes without needing any other tools. They certainly had to become that brand, but wither way. I’d argue they are the most right to repair brand on the road today
 

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I will say, of all brands, give Tesla their deserved credit. They have opened all their service manuals to the public. They are for the most part, very simple. Especially model 3 and Y. Parts are cheap and now readily available. Service mode built into the screen for diagnostics and codes without needing any other tools. They certainly had to become that brand, but wither way. I’d argue they are the most right to repair brand on the road today
Yes, and in 2014 Tesla announced it would basically open up their patents, meaning they wouldn’t sue anyone using their tech in good faith for electric vehicles. They actually helped grow the EV market. But it took almost a decade for other others to catch up.
 

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I will say, of all brands, give Tesla their deserved credit. They have opened all their service manuals to the public. They are for the most part, very simple. Especially model 3 and Y. Parts are cheap and now readily available. Service mode built into the screen for diagnostics and codes without needing any other tools. They certainly had to become that brand, but wither way. I’d argue they are the most right to repair brand on the road today
Tesla has come a very long way since they started. When they first started they didn’t want any one to get parts or repair it themselves. I still don’t think their parts are cheap. Suspension parts coolant system parts. The reason I don’t drive a Tesla now is because of the few places that sell parts and the average cost of keeping one in top shape for four years seems to be a lot. I understand no oil changes and the cost of electricity is cheaper than gas but I really don’t do much to my Honda in 4 years and 150k miles. I do love Tesla for opening the ev market and showing people how awesome ev vehicles can be. Before them ev vehicles in general were lacking.
 

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I still don’t think their parts are cheap. Suspension parts coolant system parts. The reason I don’t drive a Tesla now is because of the few places that sell parts and the average cost of keeping one in top shape for four years seems to be a lot.
I don’t have a lot of data points but was shocked at the price of a 12v battery. The early Model 3’s need a new 12V about every 36 months like clock work. The first one on my 2018 was under warranty. The 2nd one I checked around at Autozone, Advanced Auto Parts, O’Reilly’s. They were over $150 and no one had it in stock. My wife was anxious for me to get it fixed because she was driving my car while her Tesla was giving the warning message about the 12v. I decided to call Tesla to see how much more it would be to get from them figuring it would be in stock. I called and they told me $118. I went to pick it up and they said $118 was the installed price. I said I’d install it myself, the parts only price $90 a little more than half of what it cost from the discount auto parts places. Changing a 12V in an EV is a bit more involved than in an ICE car but Tesla has great maintenance instructions on their website guiding you through the repair.
 

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I predict Federal EV tax credits will be back in place before nearly any significant amount of Slates roll out of the Warsaw facility.
 

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I predict Federal EV tax credits will be back in place before nearly any significant amount of Slates roll out of the Warsaw facility.
Interesting. What makes you think that?
 

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Interesting. What makes you think that?
It's a political position of mine, so difficult to expand on and not violate forum rules. But without taking a political side, election history shows the political party not in power at the Executive Branch usually gains seats back in Congress at the mid term elections.

Considering the margin of power in both houses of Congress are quite thin, especially in the Senate, it is reasonable to assume both houses of Congress are going to flip back to a pro-EV subsidies stance and re-enact EV mandates and tax credits to support those mandates. I'll further say that considering the distain they have for the Executive Branch, the mandates and tax credits will be "doubled downed" upon. "Doubling down upon" means they will act quickly, and somehow legislatively lock the mandates and credits so they can't be removed from EPA governance and the tax code.

Just my prediction based on political history, not taking sides on it.
 
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It's a political position of mine, so difficult to expand on and not violate forum rules. But without taking a political side, election history shows the political party not in power at the Executive Branch usually gains seats back in Congress at the mid term elections.

Considering the margin of power in both houses of Congress are quite thin, especially in the Senate, it is reasonable to assume both houses of Congress are going to flip back to a pro-EV subsidies stance and re-enact EV mandates and tax credits to support those mandates. I'll further say that considering the utter distain they have for the Executive Branch, the mandates and tax credits will be "doubled downed" upon. "Doubling down upon" means they will act quickly, and somehow legislatively lock the mandates and credits so they can't be removed from EPA governance and the tax code.

Just my prediction based on political history, not taking sides on it.
Razor thin political vote margins are usually insufficient to carry legislation past a Presidential Veto. And the current legislative environment does not suggest an EV rebate would be a sufficient issue to engage in Fed gov shutdown brinkmanship. The best would be some EV subsidies through more EV friendly State/Local administration changes.

Unfortunately, the best thing State/Local gov's could do is to remove EV barrier's from entrenched dealer interests.
 

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Razor thin political vote margins are usually insufficient to carry legislation past a Presidential Veto. And the current legislative environment does not suggest an EV rebate would be a sufficient issue to engage in Fed gov shutdown brinkmanship. The best would be some EV subsidies through more EV friendly State/Local administration changes.

Unfortunately, the best thing State/Local gov's could do is to remove EV barrier's from entrenched dealer interests.
The November 2026 mid term elections are not current, but rather the future legislative environment (circa January 2027).
 

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But without taking a political side, .... it is reasonable to assume both houses of Congress are going to flip back to a pro-EV subsidies stance
I'm following you here, without taking a good/bad political position and just analyzing the polls/sentiments I think there's a significant chance that the midterms will represent a party change.

and re-enact EV mandates and tax credits to support those mandates. ... they will act quickly, and somehow legislatively lock the mandates and credits so they can't be removed from EPA governance and the tax code.
No longer following you. I'll research the position after the election and see if anything's in the works, and I'd absolutely be willing to set my delivery to Q1 2027 instead of Q4 2026 for a $7500 credit... but I think that's extremely unlikely to happen.
 

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My ranger shit the bed so I bought a frontier I don’t believe in the slate really anymore, they made it way to small and no way is it going to be mid 20s
 
 
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