EPA EV range testing includes testing in 95*F and 20*F.Wonder if the target 150 mile range included summer and winter. A seasonal average and not just best case.
Maybe it will have a Janitrol heater.I'd rather have cooling seats living in hot desert Southwest.
Agreed. This will be a huge consideration.I read somewhere that a heat pump had been confirmed. It seems like it would be a crucial part of an already small battery short range vehicle not losing too much range in adverse weather.
That is a big piece If you live in the cold like I do.Agreed. This will be a huge consideration.
It's true: resistance heating elements are going to be overall less efficient than a heat pump. Considerably so in some cases. But for all the cold climate dwellers out there, it's also true that heat pumps start to really struggle at the most frigid of temperatures inside a vehicle's cabin. So, on your coldest Montana winter morning, it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.I just got done in a chat and confirmed, no plans to go with a heat pump. This concerns me as I would think the resistive heat might use more power. but factually don't know that for sure.
That's true. I have a model 3 (2020, before the heat pump addition) and that 300 miles when you add on 4 season tires (important for me with my AWD, but absolutely necessary for a RWD) instead of the efficient tires, and the cold weather and the 20-80 rule (for everyday driving), 150 miles range is not much. Figure 10% for the tire loss (about what I see) that's 135 miles. 20-80 rule (barring using newer pricier battery tech), that's 80 miles daily usable range. Cut 30-40% for cold weather....Range is lamentably a major issue for those of us in colder locales, such as we in the PNW. For more than half of each year we must drive about using heat, defrost, wipers, and lights all on. Add AWD as I insist on having, and even the extended range battery on the Slate may not be sufficient for reasonable range. I love the Slate concept, but will have to see if the production vehicle is able to yield the range I wish. It may be that I have to await their v2 vehicle, with hope battery technology improves and comes down in price over the time it takes them to develop it.
AWD
SUV Configuration
~250 mile range with all electrical accessories on
Toyota reliability
My CR-V is retained, for as long as it takes, until there's an affordable electric vehicle with these qualities.
Agree that cold weather is huge detriment for range.That's true. I have a model 3 (2020, before the heat pump addition) and that 300 miles when you add on 4 season tires (important for me with my AWD, but absolutely necessary for a RWD) instead of the efficient tires, and the cold weather and the 20-80 rule (for everyday driving), 150 miles range is not much. Figure 10% for the tire loss (about what I see) that's 135 miles. 20-80 rule (barring using newer pricier battery tech), that's 80 miles daily usable range. Cut 30-40% for cold weather....
And I get how crazy that sounds but I've got 310 miles of range when I got mine and have had 50 mile drives to get to Minneapolis where when I got home I was a lot closer to empty than I cared to be.
In north Texas, we get the worst of all seasons.Desert Southwestern US - we need cooling seats and strong A/C for 11 months out of the year!.
Heater is rarely used.
If you don’t like North Texas weather, wait a minute.In north Texas, we get the worst of all seasons.