Preordered and now having second thoughts...anyone else?

[RetiredOnPaper]

For smiles and giggles I priced out a "bare bones" Ford Maverick. (About $28K with dealer BS) Here is what I did not like or want;
FWD - Had one before, towing even light loads up hill will pull the front wheels off the ground.
4 door- I want a truck not a SUV and all the guys at or near my age use the back seat as a huge trash can.
Gas - I don't have a mini refinery or oil well, but do have a 6.5KW solar generator.
Slate bed is larger.
If you don't want a Slate...don't get one. If you want a Maverick, God Bless you and get one.
Grandpa taught me, use the right tool for the job. If a ICE truck fits better than that's what you do.

 

[danielt1263]

For smiles and giggles I priced out a "bare bones" Ford Maverick. (About $28K with dealer BS) Here is what I did not like or want;
FWD - Had one before, towing even light loads up hill will pull the front wheels off the ground.
4 door- I want a truck not a SUV and all the guys at or near my age use the back seat as a huge trash can.
Gas - I don't have a mini refinery or oil well, but do have a 6.5KW solar generator.
Slate bed is larger.

Yea... The Hybrid Maverick, with destination and acquisition fee (the later is because you have to special order to get what you want rather than what's on the lot) is 31k plus another $1k or so dealer fee... That means that unless Slate's destination fee is $7k, it will be cheaper.

Assuming the Slate has a destination charge in the neighborhood of $1.8k like the Maverick, that gives me up to $5k of room to add features and still be cheaper.

 

[EV Trek]

My momma always said, you can’t always get what you want, so do the best with what ya got.

 

[DinoLord]

For smiles and giggles I priced out a "bare bones" Ford Maverick. (About $28K with dealer BS) Here is what I did not like or want;
FWD - Had one before, towing even light loads up hill will pull the front wheels off the ground.
4 door- I want a truck not a SUV and all the guys at or near my age use the back seat as a huge trash can.
Gas - I don't have a mini refinery or oil well, but do have a 6.5KW solar generator.
Slate bed is larger.
If you don't want a Slate...don't get one. If you want a Maverick, God Bless you and get one.
Grandpa taught me, use the right tool for the job. If a ICE truck fits better than that's what you do.

What were you towing that caused a front engine vehicle to lift the front wheels off the ground? And why did it being FWD cause that? (It didn't)

 

[DinoLord]

Yea... The Hybrid Maverick, with destination and acquisition fee (the later is because you have to special order to get what you want rather than what's on the lot) is 31k plus another $1k or so dealer fee... That means that unless Slate's destination fee is $7k, it will be cheaper.

Assuming the Slate has a destination charge in the neighborhood of $1.8k like the Maverick, that gives me up to $5k of room to add features and still be cheaper.

There is no acquisition fee on a purchased vehicle (not leased).
Eco is 28990, hybrid is 29990 MSRP including destination. You can easily find them below MSRP - especially now that Ford is offering employee pricing for everyone.
If Slate uses Ford's 1845 destination charge, it would be 26795 - a 2195 or 3195 difference.
Your math is way off on MSRP and further off on the actual market.

 

[GaRailroader]

I think the 180k people that put in a Slate reservation would have just bought a Maverick if it was more desirable to them. I do think the Maverick will continue to be successful though I suspect they will lose some fleet customers to Slate. Re: @RetiredOnPaper's point. Front drive cars are not optimal tow vehicles because tongue weight unloads the front tires. Think of a see-saw where the rear tires are the fulcrum. Pressing down on the hitch causes the vehicle to rotate around the rear axle. It is more pronounced going up hill because that will also shift weight balance rearward.

 

[DinoLord]

I think the 180k people that put in a Slate reservation would have just bought a Maverick if it was more desirable to them. I do think the Maverick will continue to be successful though I suspect they will lose some fleet customers to Slate. Re: @RetiredOnPaper's point. Front drive cars are not optimal tow vehicles because tongue weight unloads the front tires. Think of a see-saw where the rear tires are the fulcrum. Pressing down on the hitch causes the vehicle to rotate around the rear axle. It is more pronounced going up hill because that will also shift weight balance rearward.

Yes, overloading will definitely cause issues.

A 2k limit, assuming balance is reasonable, is not going to lift the front tires off the ground of a front engine vehicle. And if it did, it would do it for both FWD or RWD (not RWD EV however due to weight distribution).

 

[cadblu]

Front drive cars are not optimal tow vehicles because tongue weight unloads the front tires. Think of a see-saw where the rear tires are the fulcrum. Pressing down on the hitch causes the vehicle to rotate around the rear axle. It is more pronounced going up hill because that will also shift weight balance rearward.

Reminds me of the time I towed my 19’ Bayliner with a FWD vehicle. When pulling the boat out of the ramp, the front wheels would just spin. Good thing my friends were there to sit on the front fenders for extra weight. True, it did involve my buying a case of beer, but it was worth it 🙂

 

[EV Trek]

I’ll say it again, I won’t be getting a Maverick or any other small truck for two reasons,
1. Too many doors, don’t need to haul around additional weight and length for two passengers I will never carry.
2. It still uses gas.
that is all

 

[metroshot]

Be careful making that decision from just a test drive. When I got my first EV, regen completely freaked me out. If I'd only had that available on the test drive, I might have waved off. But within a week of owning and using the car I was running with regen on the highest level.

If you have a local car rental agency that has any EV inventory, it might be worth the investment to rent one for a weekend. Learn how to enable/adjust the regen and spend some hours getting used to it. There's a good chance that once the initial "Woah! This is not right!" feeling wears off, you'll actually love it.

I own an EV and PHEV -both with adjustable regen.
Love 2PD; hate 1PD.

Test drove Tesla MY and M3 (new version) and hated the fixed 1PD with non adjustable regen.
Made both my wife and I nauseated in traffic bumper to bumper driving here in Los Angeles.

Yes, I am cross shopping and the Ford UEV might be the next ticket for me.

Otherwise I do have a reservation for the Scout EREV which my wife loves because the 700 mile range with both EV and ICE generator.

 

[DinoLord]

I’ll say it again, I won’t be getting a Maverick or any other small truck for two reasons,
1. Too many doors, don’t need to haul around additional weight and length for two passengers I will never carry.
2. It still uses gas.
that is all

Congrats?

 

[EV Trek]

Yes, overloading will definitely cause issues.

A 2k limit, assuming balance is reasonable, is not going to lift the front tires off the ground of a front engine vehicle. And if it did, it would do it for both FWD or RWD (not RWD EV however due to weight distribution).

I think he was being extreme, but it can change the weight bias to where you lose traction on the drive wheels easier.

 

[GaRailroader]

Yes, overloading will definitely cause issues.

A 2k limit, assuming balance is reasonable, is not going to lift the front tires off the ground of a front engine vehicle. And if it did, it would do it for both FWD or RWD (not RWD EV however due to weight distribution).

I think you're missing the point. I agree that tongue load on a vehicle reduces the weight on the front tires regardless of whether it is rear drive or front drive. On a rear drive vehicle it doesn't matter since you don't need those wheels for traction. In @cadblu's example he wouldn't have needed his friends sitting on his front fenders when he is pulling the boat out of the water if he had a rear drive tow vehicle. Probably a moot point anyway since the wheelbase on a Maverick is about a mile long so the front wheels would see less unloading than a SWB truck like the Slate.

 

[danielt1263]

Your math is way off on MSRP and further off on the actual market.

I literally copy-pasted the numbers off Ford's builder.

The $150 option is for the receiver hitch.
This includes the "employee pricing for everyone" and assumes a participating dealership.
It does not include the $1-2k dealer fee.

Can you get one for cheaper? Sure, if you hit the dealership when they need a sale to make a quota, let them bump your interest rate 3 points, and you are good at haggling.

 

[DinoLord]

I think you're missing the point. I agree that tongue load on a vehicle reduces the weight on the front tires regardless of whether it is rear drive or front drive. On a rear drive vehicle it doesn't matter since you don't need those wheels for traction. In @cadblu's example he wouldn't have needed his friends sitting on his front fenders when he is pulling the boat out of the water if he had a rear drive tow vehicle. Probably a moot point anyway since the wheelbase on a Maverick is about a mile long so the front wheels would see less unloading than a SWB truck like the Slate.

I mean, being able to steer is kinda important, too.

I'd bet their issue had far more to do with vehicle capability than just simply being FWD.