Is Slate's absence of telemetry an important distinctive feature?

[AZFox]

Are you picking up hookers and getting some road-head? Drinking and driving? Give me one good reason why you care other than “I don’t like it.”

Again: It's not about guilt (i.e. reversing the burden of proof), it's about a fundamental human right.

What I'm doing is none of your business, which is exactly the point.

My behavior would be really boring for a Central Scrutinizer to watch, but I don't want them to watch it regardless. That's my right, and I want to exercise it.

I put a higher value on personal autonomy and dignity than you do, which is perfectly acceptable.

I'm also almost certainly more aware of what happens when data is misused.

There's no reason to hash this out here. Just accept that some people aren't as willing as you to have their activities tracked and logged.

 

[Duke Slater]

Again: It's not about guilt (i.e. reversing the burden of proof), it's about a fundamental human right.

What I'm doing is none of your business, which is exactly the point.

My behavior would be really boring for a Central Scrutinizer to watch, but I don't want them to watch it regardless. That's my right, and I want to exercise it.

I put a higher value on personal autonomy and dignity than you do, which is perfectly acceptable.

I'm also almost certainly more aware of what happens when data is misused.

There's no reason to hash this out here. Just accept that some people aren't as willing as you to have their activities tracked and logged.

So no good reason. Got it.

 

[AZFox]

So things becoming illegal that were once legal? Talk about paranoid…

Honda's privacy agreement is on topic.

Ad hominem back-and-forth ("you're paranoid!") belongs somewhere else.

 

[Garbone]

[Serious question. Not trying to be a smart alec here.]

Can't you just look down at the dash?

I can determine my golf cart's available remaining range by looking at the 5-bar meter.

My 18-year-old Ford tells me how many remaining miles of fuel are in the tank.

I navigate with a map and my brain, not an app. <*drags knuckles*>

Not really. It kinda sucks.

Google maps does not route to chargers unless it gets telemetry via Android Auto.

This is a leg of my trip back from Niagra falls to Florida a few weeks back.

These are the stops I actually made, I was using Google maps and just put my destination in as I left and went with it. This is cap is from ABRP and that app also works on the road pulling telemetry from the car. ABRP is good for planning but I find it locks up when road tripping and using Amazon music, telephone calls, FM radio etc. Google maps does not and it routes around traffic pretty well.

Now spread this out to Traveling from Florida to Virginia then on to Penn and Upstate New York at the same time avoiding tolls and finding charge stations things get less fun.

Oh, and the Tesla app is pretty damn horrible to use as a non Tesla user IMO. It always loads Africa first for some odd reason and seems glitchy.

My MachE has a small battery, giving roughly about 235 full range but really 160 or so usable between stops. A big battery Slate would do this but at 150 miles for the small pack you really only get 110 or so usable e so there is less fudge room between stops.

 

[KevinRS]

Most backup cameras don't record at all, no memory to even store video to view later, just a live view. I think the idea of a inward facing camera was probably to deal with the increasing advanced cruise control features, that some call autopilot or self driving, and think they can stop paying attention when they are being used.
I wouldn't have a problem with that kind of camera if the recordings were kept local, and wouldn't go to the police unless I consented or they got a warrant.
I'd actually like to eventually set something up with multiple cameras facing outside, recording locally, doing similar to what tesla does. That might actually be easier with the slate's plastic body panels. Every accident I've been in has been someone else's fault, but sometimes it's hard to prove. I've been rear ended while stopped at a red light, hit from behind while blinded by a flood of water washed over me and others by a semi speeding through a flooded intersection, rear ended as I started moving forward after an ambulance passed, and backed into in a parking lot. I've also seen increasing unsafe and illegal driving by others on a daily basis.

 

[Luxrage]

I'd actually like to eventually set something up with multiple cameras facing outside, recording locally, doing similar to what tesla does.

I helped someone install a set of dashcams, along with a backup battery system, in a minivan once. That allowed them to keep the dashcams running separately from the car if the car lost power suddenly. Truckers and fleets have had luck with "Mobile DVR" units, and the results I've seen have proven their worth.

Picture example of what I mean by the DVR units:

 

[KevinRS]

I kind of would like to have the cameras custom installed, for example forward looking one mounted in or near the bumper. Could have cameras on the side mirrors, etc.

 

[AZFox]

So no good reason. Got it.

 

[AZFox]

I think the idea of a inward facing camera was probably to deal with the increasing advanced cruise control features, that some call autopilot or self driving, and think they can stop paying attention when they are being used.

No.

"passively monitoring the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired" was their stated purpose.

All cars, and it would have started next year.

Edit:
Something regarding alcohol impairment detection systems did get passed, just not the driver-facing cameras by 2027 that I remembered.

A provision within the $1.5 trillion Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act that was passed by the 117th Congress and signed into law by President Joe Biden on November 15, 2021 mandates the implementation of advanced technology to prevent drunk and impaired driving in all new vehicles. This legislation, which includes the "Reduce Impaired Driving for Everyone Act" (RIDE Act), directs the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to establish a safety standard within three years for technology that can passively detect driver impairment or blood alcohol concentration (BAC) levels at or above the legal limit, and prevent or limit vehicle operation if impairment is detected.

 

[Adam W]

...technology that can passively detect driver impairment or blood alcohol concentration (BAC) levels at or above the legal limit, and prevent or limit vehicle operation if impairment is detected.

oh, cool. So you can *be* drunk, just don't *look* drunk for the camera. Damn me and my resting-drunk-face. Just like all those new UK age verification systems that are AI driven to make sure a person "looks old enough" to play online videogames, irregardless of their actual age. It's safety theater all the way down.

Truckers and fleets have had luck with "Mobile DVR" units, and the results I've seen have proven their worth.

That's pretty cool. I'd be up for installing some perimeter cameras if someone put together a slick, unobtrusive kit. I don't have a problem with surveilling my own property, as long as I exclusively hold all the encryption keys.

 

[Doctors Do Little]

I hope this won't derail the thread into politics. My intent is just to show that there will be creepy mandates unless we pay attention and stop that from happening.

A proposed piece of federal legislation aimed at mandating driver-facing cameras in vehicles was introduced in the United States Senate in April 2021. The bill, sponsored by Senators Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), and Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), sought to require the installation of driver-monitoring systems (DMS) in all new cars sold in the United States. This technology typically includes driver-facing cameras that use eye-tracking and facial recognition to ensure the driver is paying attention to the road​

More important -- for now -- is knowing what telemetry data is being collected and reported to the manufacturer by other vehicles that the Slate Truck will not collect and report?

Is it a compelling Slate Truck feature (where the absence of a feature is the feature)?

The one on my Lightning is annoying. If I drink a glass of water and the cup blocks the all-seeing-eye, it beeps at me to watch the road...like, I have ex's with fewer opinions about my hands-free driving at 75mph!

 

[AZFox]

It's safety theater all the way down.

Isn't it always?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety," --Benjamin Franklin

 

[sodamo]

Sure been a whole lot of money collected in the name of safety. Sometimes we ought just let Darwin rule.

 

[Doctors Do Little]

Sure been a whole lot of money collected in the name of safety. Sometimes we ought just let Darwin rule.

Darwin is for those who swim in swamps in south FL....not for folks sitting at a red light following the rules when some a**hat plows into them.

 

[sodamo]

Darwin is for those who swim in swamps in south FL....not for folks sitting at a red light following the rules when some a**hat plows into them.

True, not really talking about them, but there are a whole gaggle that do fit the bill.