How do you feel about Slate's towing capacity?

How do you feel about a strictly 1k lb towing capacity for the Slate.


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Why not just load the 800 pound street bike directly in the bed and eliminate the need for the trailer altogether?
Because of several things, (a) it's only me, so riding it in is not possible, (b) the wheelbase for either bike is just over 5 feet, so the tailgate has to be ridden over, I'd doubt the tailgate is rated for the bike and rider at 1,000 pounds, (c) even with a few people, manhandling 800 pounds 3 feet off the ground assuming you're on a hill and can roll it in level is still quite dicey.
 

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I think you misunderstand my use of the trailer. It'll be for hauling drywall / wood / cabinets / etc. I have a house that needs to be remodelled after my kids move out, not rebuilt from the ground up.
That's what the bed is for.
 

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I've said before... I'm looking for the cheapest new EV that can tow; my trailer + boat is only 600# so Slate wins. If they come in at $25k, it will be the cheapest vehicle that can tow no matter the drivetrain.
 

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(b) the wheelbase for either bike is just over 5 feet, so the tailgate has to be ridden over, I'd doubt the tailgate is rated for the bike and rider at 1,000 pounds,
Hopefully they aren't building a truck with a 1400 pound payload with a tailgate that can't support the load being loaded across the tailgate. The entire 1000 pounds is never going to be concentrated just on the tailgate. It will be split between the ground and the tailgate and once the front wheel touches the bed then it will be split between the ground, the bed and the tailgate and finally once the rear tire is on the tailgate it will be split between the bed and the tailgate. I've seen plenty of big bikes loaded into pick-ups with the back tire sitting on the tailgate.
 

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Hopefully they aren't building a truck with a 1400 pound payload with a tailgate that can't support the load being loaded across the tailgate. The entire 1000 pounds is never going to be concentrated just on the tailgate. It will be split between the ground and the tailgate and once the front wheel touches the bed then it will be split between the ground, the bed and the tailgate and finally once the rear tire is on the tailgate it will be split between the bed and the tailgate. I've seen plenty of big bikes loaded into pick-ups with the back tire sitting on the tailgate.
Me too, but how did the bike get loaded in the bed? I've never had a tailgate collapse loading a pickup, but with Slate, I'm not yet sure how it is constructed. As far as the weight. the ramp has to sit on the gate, so the motorcycle weight would be the sine of the ramp angle, so a bit less than 800 pounds. Also, the breakover angle of the ramp to the tailgate is a factor loading a street bike.

But again, I'm an army of one, so riding into a trailer is the safe and preferred method. I'm sure the internet Fail Army has plenty of big bike loading fails to watch. :CWL:
 

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Me too, but how did the bike get loaded in the bed? I've never had a tailgate collapse loading a pickup, but with Slate, I'm not yet sure how it is constructed. As far as the weight. the ramp has to sit on the gate, so the motorcycle weight would be the sine of the ramp angle, so a bit less than 800 pounds. Also, the breakover angle of the ramp to the tailgate is a factor loading a street bike.

But again, I'm an army of one, so riding into a trailer is the safe and preferred method. I'm sure the internet Fail Army has plenty of big bike loading fails to watch.
One end of the ramp is supported by the ground so the weight of the bike and rider is split between the tailgate and ground.

In my experience riding the dirt bike in to the bed was usually a bad idea but I usually had wood or slick aluminum ramps without a lot of traction so power to the back tire led to slipping off the ramp. For a big road bike like yours, I think slowly riding in to the bed is the best solution. Get a wider ramp so that you have room for your feet to touch the ramp midways up. Some of the ramps they sell now are arched to help with the break over angle at the tailgate to prevent you from high centering at the tailgate. Also, if you can find the optimal spot on your property to do the loading so you can reduce the delta between the tailgate and the ground that will help as well.(curbs, embankments, a gulley). Also, I sent a message to Slate asking them what the height is between ground and top of the tailgate when the tailgate is down. Your estimate is 36”, I’m thinking probably closer to 30. I’ll let you know what they say.

Lastly, I don’t know about your bike shop but a lot of bike shops I’ve been to have freestanding ramps of different heights for pickup’s to back up to and use as a loading dock. This way you only have to load and unload with your ramp at your house.

P.S. Slate response: Thanks for reaching out. Load height is a detail we're not able to confirm just yet. We'll have more specifications available as we get closer to production.
 
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Uhaul has aluminum trailers in a few sizes. Much lighter, but still not a lot of load left.
I think you misunderstand my use of the trailer. It'll be for hauling drywall / wood / cabinets / etc. I have a house that needs to be remodelled after my kids move out, not rebuilt from the ground up.
Main thing I was addressing was equipment you rent somewhere like Home Depot, nearly everything is over 1k lbs, but also that rental trailers that don't leave much capacity for load, like those Uhaul trailers starting at 850 empty. You can buy your own lightweight trailer or equipment that fits the capacity better.
 

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One end of the ramp is supported by the ground so the weight of the bike and rider is split between the tailgate and ground.

In my experience riding the dirt bike in to the bed was usually a bad idea but I usually had wood or slick aluminum ramps without a lot of traction so power to the back tire led to slipping off the ramp. For a big road bike like yours, I think slowly riding in to the bed is the best solution. Get a wider ramp so that you have room for your feet to touch the ramp midways up. Some of the ramps they sell now are arched to help with the break over angle at the tailgate to prevent you from high centering at the tailgate. Also, if you can find the optimal spot on your property to do the loading so you can reduce the delta between the tailgate and the ground that will help as well.(curbs, embankments, a gulley). Also, I sent a message to Slate asking them what the height is between ground and top of the tailgate when the tailgate is down. Your estimate is 36”, I’m thinking probably closer to 30. I’ll let you know what they say.

Lastly, I don’t know about your bike shop but a lot of bike shops I’ve been to have freestanding ramps of different heights for pickup’s to back up to and use as a loading dock. This way you only have to load and unload with your ramp at your house.

P.S. Slate response: Thanks for reaching out. Load height is a detail we're not able to confirm just yet. We'll have more specifications available as we get closer to production.
So back in the day, I use to winter store my Valkyrie interstate at my house in Maryland (not where I live now). I built a 8 x 8 shed in the back yard that was on piers and the deck height of the shed was around 24 to 30 inches (knee high). I built a ramp from 2x6 and some scrap bead board. The ramp was 18" wide and about 8 feet long. In the fall, I'd ride the big Valk up the ramp and into the shed; my head just cleared the top of the door header. I had electric in the shed for the battery maintainer. But that was back in my Evel Knievel days - lol.

So its not like I've not ridden a big bike into a small space like a pickup bed. I started on dirt bikes at 13, so I have no balance issues. I'm just not going to risk damaging a $30K motorcycle when I can rent a UHaul trailer for $28 (local trip - last time I rented one a few years ago).

If the Slate can't be upgraded, then I'll borrow a trailer from a friend or buy my own light-weight ride-on trailer. Cheaper than repairing a Bagger.
 
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I've said before... I'm looking for the cheapest new EV that can tow; my trailer + boat is only 600# so Slate wins. If they come in at $25k, it will be the cheapest vehicle that can tow no matter the drivetrain.
I would be concerned about using a Slate for boat towing as it is RWD-only. Are you going to launch your boat at boat ramps? Usually that means your rear tires will be submerged underwater on a slimy surface. I guess with such a small boat that might not be a concern for you, but it still depends on the condition of your boat ramp.
 

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I would be concerned about using a Slate for boat towing as it is RWD-only. Are you going to launch your boat at boat ramps? Usually that means your rear tires will be submerged underwater on a slimy surface. I guess with such a small boat that might not be a concern for you, but it still depends on the condition of your boat ramp.
One small benefit the Slate will have is the weight distribution will be a bit better than a typical pickup. With the motor/axle in the rear and the battery under the floor it should offer a bit more grip. I've seen plenty of people launch boats with RWD sedans and pickups before, so I'm sure they have it figured out.
 

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One end of the ramp is supported by the ground so the weight of the bike and rider is split between the tailgate and ground.

In my experience riding the dirt bike in to the bed was usually a bad idea but I usually had wood or slick aluminum ramps without a lot of traction so power to the back tire led to slipping off the ramp. For a big road bike like yours, I think slowly riding in to the bed is the best solution. Get a wider ramp so that you have room for your feet to touch the ramp midways up. Some of the ramps they sell now are arched to help with the break over angle at the tailgate to prevent you from high centering at the tailgate. Also, if you can find the optimal spot on your property to do the loading so you can reduce the delta between the tailgate and the ground that will help as well.(curbs, embankments, a gulley). Also, I sent a message to Slate asking them what the height is between ground and top of the tailgate when the tailgate is down. Your estimate is 36”, I’m thinking probably closer to 30. I’ll let you know what they say.

Lastly, I don’t know about your bike shop but a lot of bike shops I’ve been to have freestanding ramps of different heights for pickup’s to back up to and use as a loading dock. This way you only have to load and unload with your ramp at your house.

P.S. Slate response: Thanks for reaching out. Load height is a detail we're not able to confirm just yet. We'll have more specifications available as we get closer to production.
When i rode dirtbikes I always had two ramps, one for the bike and one for me. Made loading really easy. I could probably do the same with a sport bike, but I wouldnt want to do it with a cruiser.
 

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When i rode dirtbikes I always had two ramps, one for the bike and one for me. Made loading really easy. I could probably do the same with a sport bike, but I wouldnt want to do it with a cruiser.
Dirt bikes are meant to fall over, expensive big street bikes... not so much.

Just sayin' ;)
 

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Dirt bikes are meant to fall over, expensive big street bikes... not so much.

Just sayin' ;)
I understand that. I said I'd be comfortable loading a dirt bike or sport bike using ramps. I also said I wouldnt want to load a cruiser like that. I might be missing something, but I'm pretty sure we are in agreement here.
 

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I would be concerned about using a Slate for boat towing as it is RWD-only. Are you going to launch your boat at boat ramps? Usually that means your rear tires will be submerged underwater on a slimy surface. I guess with such a small boat that might not be a concern for you, but it still depends on the condition of your boat ramp.
I have a beach-cat sailboat. I pull up to the shore, and then pull the boat off of the trailer and onto a dolly by hand and rig it on the beach, then push it out. Neither the truck nor the trailer ever touch the water.
 

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I understand that. I said I'd be comfortable loading a dirt bike or sport bike using ramps. I also said I wouldnt want to load a cruiser like that. I might be missing something, but I'm pretty sure we are in agreement here.
We are in 100% agreement. :) I was just reiterating.
 
 
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