Why the Ford EV will suck

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https://www.freep.com/videos/money/...d-ceo-jim-farley-right-to-repair/90465881007/

"No, that's fine, not for warranty work, though. These are very complicated cars, and we don't think that's safe, for many of the repairs on our vehicles, someone at home like myself could never do it. I have no problem working on a '73 Bronco, but to work on a brand-new Bronco? I need all sorts of specialty tools. That's something that ... would put people's lives at risk
Fords will almost certainly not go down the right to repair path.
 

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I tried to find out exactly what Farley said in its context but couldn't find it. Though I do have to agree with him somewhat. If he says no owner DIY warranty repairs, well duh, why would anyone want to perform their own warranty work?

Regarding post-warranty repairs, I agree with Farely that some systems, especially the ADAS are complex systems than integrate several separate systems and components that provide the intended safety nets. For example Automatic Cruise Control that uses both radar and camera inputs to operate correctly, along with wheel speed sensors and drive-by-wire throttle control. I doubt many home mechanics have the skill set to properly diagnose and repair such an integrated system.

As a life-long DIY'er, who is heavily invested in DIY auto repair and whose career was partially in the business management end of engineered integrated systems, I recognize there are some parts of modern cars that are simply off limits to my level of ability and tool set. My tool set consists of a dedicated auto shop I built on my property with a lift (and ancillary lift-related equipment), air tools, battery electric tools, and aftermarket manufacturer-specific diagnostic tools.

I'm not sure why some people get hard over about not having ALL manufacturer repair data available to them. Some systems they will just not have the skill set or tool set to make repairs on their vehicle. I don't think Farely's position is at the level of oil and driveline fluid changes, brake component replacement, cooling system, suspension and driveline component replacements. If and when Ford stops selling parts to owners, then that will be a concern. Again, I'm not sure of the context of his statement.

As a 2022 Bronco owner, I intend on DIY'ing as much as possible. So far, oil change parts have been readily available at my local Ford dealership parts department.
 
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I'm not sure why some people get hard over about not having ALL manufacturer repair data available to them. Some systems they will just not have the skill set or tool set to make repairs on their vehicle. I don't think Farely's position is at the level of oil and driveline fluid changes, brake component replacement, cooling system, suspension and driveline component replacements. If and when Ford stops selling parts to owners, then that will be a concern. Again, I'm not sure of the context of his statement.
Very well said. Vehicle systems are complex and many independent shops don't have the training or special tools to work on them. Ironically, Ford DIYers can use FORScan, which allows them to read/clear trouble codes, view live data, and unlock hidden features or modify factory settings. I'm pretty good with repairs, but know my limits. Digging deep into programs is not my thing.

When I read the title to this thread, I was assuming the discussion would be about the new Ford EV itself. I question how usable the back seat in that truck will be. The Maverick back seat is tight, so assume this new truck will be tighter. If that is the case, a regular cab (or extended cab) is a better choice for me.
 

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Obviously, there will be some off-limits issues. What has to stop is bullshit like requiring a proprietary tool to replace a bulb or brake pads.
Interestingly concerning the Gen6 Bronco, my brief investigation into brake system maintenance I found that the brake system needs to be put into "maintenance mode" to service it. IIRC the maintenance mode can be activated without a scan tool, but I have to double check that. I'm coming up on a year past due on brake fluid maintenance, so I have to get to that soon. I understand the maintenance mode requirement because the Bronco has an electronic emergency brake system that needs to be disabled prior to disassembling the rear brakes to perform a pad/rotor replacement. If I need a Ford scan tool do to that then so be it.

The good news here is we now have the internet where we can find sources of reliable service information among the chaff of bogus you tubers.
 

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Interestingly concerning the Gen6 Bronco, my brief investigation into brake system maintenance I found that the brake system needs to be put into "maintenance mode" to service it. IIRC the maintenance mode can be activated without a scan tool, but I have to double check that. I'm coming up on a year past due on brake fluid maintenance, so I have to get to that soon. I understand the maintenance mode requirement because the Bronco has an electronic emergency brake system that needs to be disabled prior to disassembling the rear brakes to perform a pad/rotor replacement. If I need a Ford scan tool do to that then so be it.

The good news here is we now have the internet where we can find sources of reliable service information among the chaff of bogus you tubers.
My 2010 Subaru Legacy has an electronic rear emergency/parking brake and requires no tool or mode.
 

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Your post title reads like a clickbait YouTube video. If "Right to Repair" is high on your list of must-haves in an EV, that's fair--vehicles that restrict it will naturally be a dealbreaker for you. But saying that Ford's yet-to-be-released EV will suck based solely on Farley's interview is a bit over the top.
 
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The good news here is we now have the internet where we can find sources of reliable service information among the chaff of bogus you tubers.
I faced the same problem with our 2020 Escape and used two sources to put together the process for initiating Brake Maintenance Mode. One source was through my local library. I’d be happy to share the results if you like.

But I chickened out and sent the job to a local shop! I’m so ashamed… 😞
Your post title reads like a clickbait YouTube video. If "Right to Repair" is high on your list of must-haves in an EV, that's fair--vehicles that restrict it will be naturally be a dealbreaker for you. But saying that Ford's yet-to-be-released EV will suck based solely on Farley's interview is a bit over the top.
I’m SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT THIS IS CLICKBAIT and YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED NEXT!!!
 

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As far as why someone would want to do their own warranty repair work.

Some people do not live anywhere near repair facilities.

Have you met some of the people who work in repair facilities? Notice I use the word some. This is not a knock on all mechanics. Most of them are fantastic. Do a lot of fine work a good portion of the population just can’t wrap the brains around.

Some, however, it’s a complete crapshoot as to whether it will get repaired or even reassembled in a safe fashion.

If it takes me a few hours or less, I’m all in for my own warranty repair. It takes me that much time to drop off and pick up a vehicle and deal with the phone calls and scheduling.
 

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Regarding post-warranty repairs, I agree with Farely that some systems, especially the ADAS are complex systems than integrate several separate systems and components that provide the intended safety nets. For example Automatic Cruise Control that uses both radar and camera inputs to operate correctly, along with wheel speed sensors and drive-by-wire throttle control. I doubt many home mechanics have the skill set to properly diagnose and repair such an integrated system.
The people at the dealership barely know how these things work. They just have access to the logs and service tools that tell them which part is throwing the error. The systems are complex, but largely due to the underlying software.

As a life-long DIY'er, who is heavily invested in DIY auto repair and whose career was partially in the business management end of engineered integrated systems, I recognize there are some parts of modern cars that are simply off limits to my level of ability and tool set. My tool set consists of a dedicated auto shop I built on my property with a lift (and ancillary lift-related equipment), air tools, battery electric tools, and aftermarket manufacturer-specific diagnostic tools.
I'm with you there. In a lot of jobs, I know when my standards exceed my skills, and I'll just pay someone else to do it. But that's a decision I get to make myself due to my personal abilities and the value of my time - not because I'm locked out of doing the job by the manufacturer.

I'm not sure why some people get hard over about not having ALL manufacturer repair data available to them. Some systems they will just not have the skill set or tool set to make repairs on their vehicle. I don't think Farely's position is at the level of oil and driveline fluid changes, brake component replacement, cooling system, suspension and driveline component replacements. If and when Ford stops selling parts to owners, then that will be a concern. Again, I'm not sure of the context of his statement.
They do this to funnel more money into their dealers' service departments, and to encourage people to just buy a new car. "Oh, your car needs a new HVJB and it needs to be programmed to work? Maybe you'd rather drive off the lot in something else..." This walled garden blocks not only the shadetree mechanics, but also the independent shops who cannot afford the king's ransom that some companies charge for access to service tools. They're effectively limiting competition which is naturally good for the consumer, but bad for those who otherwise hold all the cards.
 

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Regarding post-warranty repairs, I agree with Farely that some systems, especially the ADAS are complex systems than integrate several separate systems and components that provide the intended safety nets. For example Automatic Cruise Control that uses both radar and camera inputs to operate correctly, along with wheel speed sensors and drive-by-wire throttle control. I doubt many home mechanics have the skill set to properly diagnose and repair such an integrated system.
Well, even putting aside how much people hate dealerships - I will never again, ever, lose that much money to a scheduled service, only to get SiriusXM trial spam afterward to add insult to injury - there are good reasons to want access to your tech.

Sure, ADAS and the connected systems are locked out for our own safety.
...
So, it's funny how Ford says those systems are literally on the same compute module as the infotainment now. Whoops, everything is safety-critical now.

But hey, some freedoms you weren't going to use are a reasonable trade-off for all these features, right? Except, I didn't ask for any of them. I can only speak for myself, but I imagine I'm not alone in that frustration.

Control over your technology is not a small thing, and when you lose control, corporations will start using the thing you can't control against you.
Depending on when you grew up, I don't need to explain any complex software freedom ideology to prove it.

Remember?
"This Disney DVD is enhanced with Disney's Fast Play. Your movie and a selection of bonus features will begin automatically. To bypass Fast Play, select the "Main Menu" button at any time. Fast Play will begin in a moment."

Everyone scrambles for the remote, because they know that actually means "enjoy the next 10 minutes of ads, suckers".
That feature was added because some people's DVD players didn't have remotes.

I'm sure Ford's tech won't be that intrusive though, right?
Here's something else Jim said:
"...and it has a digital experience that no one’s seen — at least that we’ve seen — even in China."
 

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I faced the same problem with our 2020 Escape and used two sources to put together the process for initiating Brake Maintenance Mode. One source was through my local library. I’d be happy to share the results if you like.

But I chickened out and sent the job to a local shop! I’m so ashamed… 😞

I’m SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT THIS IS CLICKBAIT and YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED NEXT!!!
Thanks for the offer, much appreciated; not necessary though. I searched and found the instructions on the Ford Performance website. So much for Mr. Farley withholding service information...

But, really I need to bleed the brakes, which might be a different instruction altogether.
 

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This walled garden blocks not only the shadetree mechanics, but also the independent shops who cannot afford the king's ransom that some companies charge for access to service tools. They're effectively limiting competition which is naturally good for the consumer, but bad for those who otherwise hold all the cards.
Huh. How is it good for the consumer?
 

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Well, even putting aside how much people hate dealerships - I will never again, ever, lose that much money to a scheduled service, only to get SiriusXM trial spam afterward to add insult to injury - there are good reasons to want access to your tech.

Sure, ADAS and the connected systems are locked out for our own safety.
...
So, it's funny how Ford says those systems are literally on the same compute module as the infotainment now. Whoops, everything is safety-critical now.

But hey, some freedoms you weren't going to use are a reasonable trade-off for all these features, right? Except, I didn't ask for any of them. I can only speak for myself, but I imagine I'm not alone in that frustration.

Control over your technology is not a small thing, and when you lose control, corporations will start using the thing you can't control against you.
Depending on when you grew up, I don't need to explain any complex software freedom ideology to prove it.

Remember?
"This Disney DVD is enhanced with Disney's Fast Play. Your movie and a selection of bonus features will begin automatically. To bypass Fast Play, select the "Main Menu" button at any time. Fast Play will begin in a moment."

Everyone scrambles for the remote, because they know that actually means "enjoy the next 10 minutes of ads, suckers".
That feature was added because some people's DVD players didn't have remotes.

I'm sure Ford's tech won't be that intrusive though, right?
Here's something else Jim said:
"...and it has a digital experience that no one’s seen — at least that we’ve seen — even in China."
When I use a USB memory stick for a music source in my '22 Bronco, the infotainment system locks out numerous search function access to the music library while the vehicle is in motion. Seems kind of dumb to me since the Sync 4 phone integration pretty much sucks when the phone is out of cell service (which in my case is a majority of the time). But the point is the various systems of the vehicle are tied together to operate safely.

We all need to remember the level of liability companies such as Ford take on allowing some level of distracted driving to have phone integration. Lawyers are risk adverse.
 
 
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