Range Anxiety

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Every post I've ever read about range anxiety was written by someone who didn't own an EV. I get that. We have an infrastructure where we're used to pulling into a gas station - pretty much anywhere, any time, and "filling up" - then repeated 300 miles later. Doing something differently is a little scary.

So here's my story: I wanted to buy a used EV before the tax credit for them expired last year. My wife was... unenthusiastic. She had range concerns. She wanted at least 300 miles range. I looked at VW's, Hyundais, Polestars. Then Elon started ranting, folks around here started dumping their Teslas in disgust, and we stumbled across an 8 year old Model S with <40K miles and looked liked it just rolled off the showroom floor - for <$20K. We bought it. My wife loves it. It's "her car" now.

It started out with 245 mile range. After 8 years, it shows as 225. We charge to 80%, which is about 180. It's not even close to an issue. Granted, we have optimal circumstances: we own our home, I installed a 220V outlet in the garage so we charge easily at home, and we don't often take long road trips. But for everyday life, when it drops below 100 miles range, we plug it in overnight (off-peak.)

But we sometimes do take longer trips. We have friends who moved 200 miles away. We have a rental property we had to deal with 100+ miles away. We charge to 100% before those drives, but we still need to charge on the road. But I'm old, so I need to take a break and stretch my legs (and back) every couple of hours anyway. And there are Supercharges all along both routes. So we just do that. It takes minimal (but non-zero) planning. And it's been kind of cool. We stumbled across a Sushi restaurant in Turlock that was awesome - I started looking for excuses to go work on the rental unit just so I could have lunch there. (For non-Californians, finding a good Sushi restaurant in Turlock is every bit as unlikely as it sounds.) Other Superchargers are near strip malls (found a very cool - if strange - Japanese store in one; sometimes just wander around.) Or just sit in the car - AC on - and read, or talk for 20 minutes or so. It's not like the frantic, kind of dirty and awkward experience I'm used to at a gas station.

So the bottom line for me is: I'm not the slightest bit worried about a 150 mile range - especially if it's LFP. I understand other folks, who have different lives, may have different needs and wants. But I suspect that a lot of people who insist they have to have 240 miles of range really... don't "need" it.
 

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I haven’t had it since trading my Spark EV (80mile range on a good day) for my 2017 Bolt EV (easily made 250 miles several times)
Living with a Spark will definitely eliminate any range anxiety you have with any other EV, haha
 

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My once a week commute to my volunteer effort is 90 mi. round trip, with sometimes a 20 mile RT to the hardware store. It is also a lot of highway miles. Therefore, I find the 150 number to be a bit anxiety inducing. That's why I'll go for the extended range.

As a newbie to EV, am I wrong for having anxiety about only 40 mi. remaining at starting with 100% charge?
 

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Funny, but gas stations here an issue. Head to town and nearest is 20 miles. Head other direction (only the 2 choices being on coast of an island) and about 5 miles, but there is a charger about mile closer small store/restaurant.
i have dipped into the lawnmower can a time or too rather than driving to nearer pump and reversing for town.
 
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As a newbie to EV, am I wrong for having anxiety about only 40 mi. remaining at starting with 100% charge?
I don't know what "right" or "wrong" but 40 miles is basically my target for charging. That is, if I expect to have 40 miles of range left when I get home, I don't sweat it. If it's less than that, I'll consider the options for charging up a bit at some stop. Even just 5 minutes on a Supercharger. But I wouldn't worry unless I project <20 miles of range on arrival. My wife scolded me the other day about telling her we didn't need to charge on a recent 3 day trip to the wine country because we were at 6 mile indicated range when we got home. I assured her that there is a margin built into Tesla's range estimates.

Which might be true....

(By the way - I have run out of gas. Not that often lately - maybe once in the past 15 years - but many times before that. So maybe I'm just a risk taker in that regard. YMMV. Literally)
 

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So the bottom line for me is: I'm not the slightest bit worried about a 150 mile range - especially if it's LFP. I understand other folks, who have different lives, may have different needs and wants. But I suspect that a lot of people who insist they have to have 240 miles of range really... don't "need" it.
I'm one of those that will likely go with the 240 mile version. My wife and I each have an elderly parent that live close to each other but not to us. We go visit them just about every weekend and the round trip is about 130 miles. Now, there are chargers in the area and we could easily stop but I gotta admit, not having to stop to charge on that round trip would sure be handy! If it weren't for that circumstance, I'd easily be satisfied with the 150 mile range.
 

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Run out of gas? LOL last time was right on front of the station.
 

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Run out of gas? LOL last time was right on front of the station.
I just ran my wife's car out of gas on the highway as I was exiting to get gas at a rest stop. I coasted to the pump with a couple extra kicks to get it there. Maybe my Spark left me with too little range anxiety.
 

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I just ran my wife's car out of gas on the highway as I was exiting to get gas at a rest stop. I coasted to the pump with a couple extra kicks to get it there. Maybe my Spark left me with too little range anxiety.
Last time I ran out of gas was not long after buying a used car, the Gas gauge still showed 1/4 tank when it ran out. 🤦‍♂️
I have only run out of gas 2 times in 56 years. First time I was 16 and was taking my mother to the store. I got a good lecturing, never forgot that…
Never run out of Electricity in any of my EVs. Lowest I have run one was in my Spark when it went into turtle mode a mile from my house. Made it home and plugged in..
 

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wife has a phev with a 55/60 mile range. That is good for the vast majority of days. We do run out from time to time, but a tank of gas lasts like 6 months and we purposefully use it so the gas doesnt go bad.

Where it is close is if we are not fully charged and drive to my parents 30 miles away.

150 will be more than fine.
 

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Go to https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ and put in your longest trips, don't forget to also put in both directions and see how much charging you even need.
For my longest trip, 136 miles one way, several times a year, with 100% to start, I shouldn't need to stop on the way there, 80% would need a 6 minute charging stop. The return trip would need a small stop even at 100% due to elevation change, and 13 minutes if I start at 80%.

Now this is based on general and preliminary info, so no guarantees, but it can't be that far off.

I do figure it may at times use even more power on the return trip, at times there would be a significant headwind on parts of the route, and at times there is more traffic, but that's just going to amount to minutes more charging.
I'd probably just get some food or something when charging and let it charge ~30 minutes and be back to 80% easily, whether I need to or not.
 

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My once a week commute to my volunteer effort is 90 mi. round trip, with sometimes a 20 mile RT to the hardware store. It is also a lot of highway miles. Therefore, I find the 150 number to be a bit anxiety inducing. That's why I'll go for the extended range.

As a newbie to EV, am I wrong for having anxiety about only 40 mi. remaining at starting with 100% charge?
It won’t matter what those of us that have EVs for some years say, only way you’re going to get past range anxiety is to learn for yourself.

Having the extra miles (extended range) will help, but you will find it probably wasn’t needed.

Having a home Level 2 EVSE is a must for ease of use and cost of charging.
 

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I have never had an EV so I have never experienced range anxiety. I assume it would be similar to running low on gas with no stations near... which happens to me all the time because I live in the sticks. At least with the Slate I can charge it at home and work. My concern is... if you run out of juice... then what? Have any of you been through that?
 

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I have never had an EV so I have never experienced range anxiety. I assume it would be similar to running low on gas with no stations near... which happens to me all the time because I live in the sticks. At least with the Slate I can charge it at home and work. My concern is... if you run out of juice... then what? Have any of you been through that?
Never ran out. My advice for someone with a new EV is, until you learn your vehicle be conservative on your using the battery, charge early and often, as you learn your vehicle and how it uses your charge under different operating conditions you will gain more confidence on estimating when you need to start looking for somewhere to charge or if you have enough charge to get home.
 
 
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