🔋 The Extended Battery Decision (Poll: Which battery option suits you best?)

[AZFox]

Back to the Extended Battery decision...

I'm compiling a list of Battery Buzzkills in a text document. Here it is so far:

• Carrying (or towing) extra weight
• Rolling on alternative tires (All-Terrain tires in particular)
• Extreme weather conditions (cold in particular)
• Where you're driving (e.g. highway vs. city)
• Your driving style (e.g. jackrabbit vs. smooth starts)
• Age of the battery

Not claiming it's exhaustive. Just throwing those out there for consideration.

 

[atx_ev]

Prediction- over half of the population who gets the standard range battery will deeply regret their decision. Once you live with the truck on a daily basis, it will just become an extra chore on your already long list. The $4.K you 'saved' on delivery day will long be forgotten; and you can't change your mind down the road.

If you have an L2 charger in your home you can charge daily. The vast majority of people drive around 35 miles/day. Obviously if you drive more you need the bigger pack.

Im working from home now so am down to 6000 miles/year, about 16 miles per day.

My wife has a PHEV with a 60 mile range. Using an L1 charger we will use a little gas once a week. In total we used 3/4 tank of gas in 2 months. With an L2 charger we probably wouldnt have used any gas.

If you leave your 4K in the market, in 7 years it will be 8k. In 14 years, 16K. etc

I dont care about resell because I try to drive my cars until they are dead. I hate trying to resell a car. Further my kids will drive it and lower range is a bonus. 2 seats is great to ensure they dont violate the rule that they can only have one passenger.

 

[Mac-Tyson]

I'm considering the standard range battery since I have another vehicle for long range trips. So I think the standard range will suit my needs. I'm also considering the standard range battery because I think it will be more fun to drive. Since the weight should be much less with the standard range battery so much more fun power to weight ratio with the vehicle. Things that make me hesitant is the fact that I might get less range in the winter and while you shouldn't buy this vehicle thinking it's not going to depreciate extremely fast like all EV's, I'm sure the long range version of the truck will likely keep it's value better than the standard range.

 

[AZFox]

Since the weight should be much less with the standard range battery so much more fun power to weight ratio with the vehicle.

The more I think about it the more I'm inclined to forego pretentious All-Terrain tires and go the other direction: Lowering Kit, lightweight wheels, and sporty street tires.

Some snazzy Bilstein or Koni shocks would kick it up a notch.

Driving a zippy Slate with some go-kart qualities would be a hoot!

 

[GaRailroader]

Back when the slate was announced Ford's compact platform was still an unofficial concept and the slate was cheaper.

Things have changed

The only thing that is changed is that the rebate is going away. The Ford T3 won't be eligible for the rebate either.

 

[AZFox]

Back to the OT...

So far the Battery Buzzkill that surprises me the most is Highway Speed.

Check this out:

Traveling at highway speeds significantly reduces electric vehicle (EV) range, with studies showing that increasing speed from 55 mph to 75 mph can decrease range by up to 109 miles in some models. For example, the Lucid Air saw a drop from 378 miles to 290 miles, while the Kia EV9 lost 109 miles over the same speed change. In general, driving at higher speeds increases energy consumption due to aerodynamic drag, which becomes more pronounced as speed increases.​

*grabs calculator*
That's a 23% drop for the Lucid.
The Kia's loss was 32% (339 vs. 230).

 

[sodamo]

Back to the OT...

So far the Battery Buzzkill that surprises me the most is Highway Speed.

Check this out:

Traveling at highway speeds significantly reduces electric vehicle (EV) range, with studies showing that increasing speed from 55 mph to 75 mph can decrease range by up to 109 miles in some models. For example, the Lucid Air saw a drop from 378 miles to 290 miles, while the Kia EV9 lost 109 miles over the same speed change. In general, driving at higher speeds increases energy consumption due to aerodynamic drag, which becomes more pronounced as speed increases.​

*grabs calculator*
That's a 23% drop for the Lucid.
The Kia's loss was 32% (339 vs. 230).

Good thing I stick around 55. No big need for speed here. Always find it annoyingly interesting some one tailgating me, zooms around come passing lane and are at same stoplight past the bridge once we get to town.

 

[JoeUser]

Prediction- over half of the population who gets the standard range battery will deeply regret their decision. Once you live with the truck on a daily basis, it will just become an extra chore on your already long list. The $4.K you 'saved' on delivery day will long be forgotten; and you can't change your mind down the road.

Why would a standard range battery be a chore? Most people go to work, run errands, come home and plug in.

First time EV buyers put 'long range ' at the top of their shopping list. Second time EV buyers do not.

Not to say there aren't use cases for a bigger battery (frequent road trips, frequent towing or no home charging) but to say that a standard pack would be a daily struggle is a bit of a stretch. I do 30,000 miles a year with my EV and I'm definitely going standard.

 

[cvollers]

Prediction- over half of the population who gets the standard range battery will deeply regret their decision. Once you live with the truck on a daily basis, it will just become an extra chore on your already long list. The $4.K you 'saved' on delivery day will long be forgotten; and you can't change your mind down the road.

Resale for extended vs. standard most likely will favor extended.

 

[KevinRS]

Sure extended battery means higher resale value, but it's not likely to be 4k higher value, and many of us probably intend to drive it a long time.

 

[SlatePossible2028]

The only thing that is changed is that the rebate is going away. The Ford T3 won't be eligible for the rebate either.

A few things

The Ford is, allegedly, supposed to be around the price of the Slate.

The Ford will be built here, a point against the maverick, and a slate feature i like.

The Ford will likely be RWD, something i liked about the Slate.

The Ford doesnt use Chinese motors, which is something I dont like about the slate.

If its roughly the same price range (which iirc was the original plan, $25-30k platform for compact electric) it will likely offer more bang for buck vs the slate

Hence, I wait

 

[KevinRS]

A few things

The Ford is, allegedly, supposed to be around the price of the Slate.

The Ford will be built here, a point against the maverick, and a slate feature i like.

The Ford will likely be RWD, something i liked about the Slate.

The Ford doesnt use Chinese motors, which is something I dont like about the slate.

If its roughly the same price range (which iirc was the original plan, $25-30k platform for compact electric) it will likely offer more bang for buck vs the slate

Hence, I wait

I thought I saw a post that the ford to be announced will be a mid sized truck, larger than the maverick.

 

[AZFox]

@SlatePossible2028 and @KevinRS,

Consider discussing the expiring tax credit, your Slate Truck skepticism, and the Ford T3 truck in threads devoted to those topics, rather than this thread that's about the Extended Battery Decision.

https://www.slateforums.com/forum/threads/the-bright-side-of-the-ev-tax-credits-going-away.13283/

https://www.slateforums.com/forum/t...rage-used-car-even-without-tax-credits.13304/

https://www.slateforums.com/forum/threads/is-ford-preparing-to-release-a-slate-competitor.13386/

 

[AZFox]

Not to say there aren't use cases for a bigger battery (frequent road trips, frequent towing or no home charging) but to say that a standard pack would be a daily struggle is a bit of a stretch. I do 30,000 miles a year with my EV and I'm definitely going standard.

And there are some benefits going Standard provides

• Higher payload capacity
• Extra distance per kWh
• Faster acceleration
• Shorter braking distance
• Less wear on tires and suspension
• Better handling

 

[AZFox]

Resale for extended vs. standard most likely will favor extended.

I did a quick visit to edmunds.com and for a 2021 Mustang Mach-E the extended battery adds

• $483 to trade-in value
• $524 to private-party value
• $565 to dealer retail value

Edit:
It was a $5,000 option.
I'm gonna say resale value may contribute something, but it certainly isn't a good reason on its own.