How are charging settings (like target SoC and schedule) set?

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Having never owned a BEV, I wonder if there are any wall chargers that have that functionality?

And a quick Google search says the answer is "yes". Especially smart chargers connected to their own apps. They can schedule for off-peak charging, state of charge, etc.
State of Charge (the youtube channel) just reviewed a smart EVSE that comes with an OBDII dongle so that it can do some of these functions without using the vehicle settings.
 

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EV Manufacturers usually build in a buffer. On the Ford MachE, there's an additional 20% buffer you can't use-- 10% above 100 and 10% below 0. These cells drastically improve battery longevity and degredation. I would be very surprised if slate doesn't add some buffer cells
 

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State of Charge (the youtube channel) just reviewed a smart EVSE that comes with an OBDII dongle so that it can do some of these functions without using the vehicle settings.
Looks interesting, but I have some serious concerns over plugging in an OBD2 device that EV OEM’s tend to “hide” on purpose. The OBD2 port is not readily accessible on most EVs (eg. Tesla) since it’s not a traditional port for diagnostics as with ICE vehicles. It really doesn’t add much value since vehicle diagnostics are clearly visible on the service menu.

And as for leaving that dongle plugged in all the time? The term “phantom drain” comes to mind.
 

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Looks interesting, but I have some serious concerns over plugging in an OBD2 device that EV OEM’s tend to “hide” on purpose. The OBD2 port is not readily accessible on most EVs (eg. Tesla) since it’s not a traditional port for diagnostics as with ICE vehicles. It really doesn’t add much value since vehicle diagnostics are clearly visible on the service menu.

And as for leaving that dongle plugged in all the time? The term “phantom drain” comes to mind.
I always have an OBDII dongle plugged in to whatever I'm driving, mostly because they're all heaps that need to be scanned frequently, lol. I had to keep the data up while driving the spark to keep an eye on the weak cells. I have heard of dongles causing odd issues on some vehicles, and also this particular product apparently only works on some vehicles, and those vehicles have charge limits built in. So I'm both not really concerned about the dongle aspect and not particularly interested in that specific charger. Also, charging to 100% isn't a real problem, you just don't want to store it that way.
 

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State of Charge (the youtube channel) just reviewed a smart EVSE that comes with an OBDII dongle so that it can do some of these functions without using the vehicle settings.
I thought all the various connectors for EV charging were not simply electricity transfer, and all of them had data connections as well so the car's system "talks" to the charging system. If that's true, why would this system need the addition of an OBDII BT connection as well?
 

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Charges to 100% right? Slate will do the same thing... That's not the question being asked :)
Understood, they are lead-acid batteries, but the point is the charger knows when to stop (at 100%). It doesn't just keep charging and boil-out the batteries. The OP is worried about using an app (not sure why), when the Slate could easily put limits on the charger (controller in the truck) via a setting through the main screen.

And again, sarcasm is completely missed on the internet...
 
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Sorry, tone is impossible to read in text! You are right it would and should be feasible to set those directly on the dash screen.
 
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Slate Auto Pickup Truck How are charging settings (like target SoC and schedule) set? IMG_2816

Well, I charge my phone every night to 100%. As most other people. And Slate has made it clear you can operate the vehicle without a cellphone. So it must have embedded software, via the onboard charger, to charge to the appropriate level.
 

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Seriously doubt it can be a dumb charger, would have to know about battery to properly charge, not overcharge,.
A home level 1 or level 2 charger just has a contactor and welded-contact detection circuit. It's only little more than a dumb cable, the car does all of the AC-DC conversion and charge management. There is a control signal that tells the car whether the outlet is capable of a 15A, 20A, 30A, or 50A, and a signal from the car to the cable that tells it when it's ready to charge and the contactor should close. The inverter in the car controls how much current it will draw and can stop charging at any point.

But if the driver wants to tell the car what that point is, if not 100%, you just need a menu. It won't overcharge, but if you want it to stop at 80% (or 60% or 90%) you'd need to set that preference somewhere. I'm hoping this is a function on the small dashboard LCD display, you'd browse a few menus with the steering wheel buttons. Obviously a smartphone app and touchscreen would be a better tool than steering wheel buttons to go out to the cloud and check utility rates to charge more at lower-demand times, or to decide that you actually want to charge to 100% and precondition the battery and/or cabin in the morning to leave at 6:45 AM for a long trip or something like that, but to just say "charge to 80%" or "use one-pedal drive mode" the existing LCD on the dash that shows the speedometer is more than adequate.

High-voltage DC fast chargers are smart chargers that communicate over a high-level protocol (a full IP stack, typically ISO 15118-2) to send data back and forth. The vehicle asks for a specific target voltage and current, and connects the charger directly to the battery. There are main contactors that could be connected if the DC fast charger hypothetically malfunctioned, but they're not used to stop charging in normal operation. But again, you don't type in on the fast charger that you want 80%, you enter that in somewhere on the car.
 

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Well, I charge my phone every night to 100%. As most other people. And Slate has made it clear you can operate the vehicle without a cellphone. So it must have embedded software, via the onboard charger, to charge to the appropriate level.
All Slate should do is have a knob on the dash (matches the look of the HVAC control knobs), at the left side of the steering wheel that has a dial range between 50% to 100% marked off in 10ths (i.e. 10% detents) so the driver simply sets the battery SOC level he wants to charge to. Will work for both DCFC and Level 2 home EVSE.
 

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Looks interesting, but I have some serious concerns over plugging in an OBD2 device that EV OEM’s tend to “hide” on purpose. The OBD2 port is not readily accessible on most EVs (eg. Tesla) since it’s not a traditional port for diagnostics as with ICE vehicles. It really doesn’t add much value since vehicle diagnostics are clearly visible on the service menu.

And as for leaving that dongle plugged in all the time? The term “phantom drain” comes to mind.
I have a Bluetooth OBDII interface that I leave connected to my Kia EV6 all the time. The OBDII connector is completely standard and in a typical position (under the dash to the left of the steering wheel). With a (non-Kia) app, I can see a massive amount of data including overall SOC as well as battery state of health, voltage reading for each individual battery cell, the voltage for the 12V aux battery, etc. The OBDII "dongle" detects when the vehicle is turned on or charging and otherwise goes into a low-power sleep mode where the parasitic drain on the 12V battery is under 0.1 mA. With a typical 40 Ah 12V battery, that's 40k hours to drain it even 10%.

Just because Tesla goes out of their way to make things difficult, doesn't mean other EV makers follow suit.
 

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My question is, with no bluetooth/wifi in the truck, will the phone/tablet have to be connected via the cable to do any of this?
Slate has said that in order to update the truck's software, you will have to download the update to your app and then use a cable to connect the phone to a USB-C port on the truck. I expect and other phone capabilities would require the cable as well.

So the real question for this thread is, might the Slate have menus on the screen and a way to navigate through the menus without touch (since it won't be a touch screen)? My 2015 Kia does...
 

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Do we have any knowledge about this yet?

Most vehicles on the market handle this with their integrated touch screen system, but the Slate does not have one of those.

I'm hoping it is not app based, as I pretty much refuse to install apps for things for privacy reasons.
Assuming an app would use bluetooth, a phone with no sim only turned on for that and similar purposes isn't a bad compromise.
 
 
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