If Slate incorporates surveillance tech, I’m 100% out [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[Shrink36s]

… and I know they won’t have a choice.

I know this will probably blow up with people on both sides. One side, “this is nuts,” the other, “they know everything about you already.”
For me, I fight this stuff constantly. I do things to rid my life of all the tracking. It’s a pain, and it’s worth the fight IMO.
Make no mistake about it, this is surveillance tech, and has very little, if anything, to do with safety.
https://www.gadgetreview.com/federal-surveillance-tech-becomes-mandatory-in-new-cars-by-2027

 

[Shrink36s]

TL;DR

Eye, head, and face tracking must be standard in all 2027 cars to monitor safe driving, fatigue, and intoxication.

 

[Vehicle Nanny]

That's interesting. It is the first that I've heard of that legislastion, and I doubt the majority of US consumers know about. I don't like it either, however, almost all of our daily activities have some sort of tracking, etc.

 

[Shrink36s]

... almost all of our daily activities have some sort of tracking, etc.

So don't fight it? Even letting this come out of you is complying in advance. When is it going to be too much to the point that you actually stand up and refuse to allow these things? You refuse to purchase the tech that does this stuff to you? This argument is not an argument, it is a capitulation to the surveillance infrastructure itself.

 

[bartflossom]

My wife's new tucson was constantly telling me to "take a break" on our last long drive. I guess its already in the car but without the ability to lock you out or go into limp mode. This definitely sucks.

 

[TPL]

Terrible and terrifying.

I wonder what the smallest, least-impactful way to comply with these regulations will be. I suppose they need to be finalized first.

I anticipate a market for defeat devices.

 

[Kopsis]

TL;DR

Eye, head, and face tracking must be standard in all 2027 cars to monitor safe driving, fatigue, and intoxication.

TL;DR - Clickbait. Article is flat out wrong. This is not something Slate or consumers will see in the next few years.

The "final rule" linked to in the article is for automatic emergency braking, which must be standard in new vehicles starting in 2029. It has nothing to do with impaired driver detection.

Section 24220 of the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act does direct NHTSA to develop a standard for impaired driving detection. NHTSA has already missed the 2024 deadline and still has nothing more than than an advanced notice of proposed rulemaking that identifies the technologies and methods they're considering.

A "final rule" is likely still years away, and automakers will have years after that before incorporation in new vehicles becomes mandatory. And that assumes the political will/funding for the regulation activity remains in place through another half dozen years of federal budgetary turmoil.

 

[ScooterAsheville]

I'm 100% for any and all tech that keeps irresponsible narcissists from slaughtering the innocent by driving drunk, sleepy, drugged, or angry.

 

[Shrink36s]

TL;DR - Clickbait. Article is flat out wrong. This is not something Slate or consumers will see in the next few years.

The "final rule" linked to in the article is for automatic emergency braking, which must be standard in new vehicles starting in 2029. It has nothing to do with impaired driver detection.

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Agreed it is clickbaity. At the same time, it is quite important to understand that we don’t have it due to missed deadlines and extensions.

That does bit take the importance of awareness away from this at all. People should know. Should be informed, and should definitely take their opinion, for or against, to their representatives.

Ok, that’s the most political I’ll get.

Simply put, helping people stay informed is worth the clickbait. Thank you for adding in more detail.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

So don't fight it? Even letting this come out of you is complying in advance. When is it going to be too much to the point that you actually stand up and refuse to allow these things? You refuse to purchase the tech that does this stuff to you? This argument is not an argument, it is a capitulation to the surveillance infrastructure itself.

TL;DR - Clickbait. Article is flat out wrong. This is not something Slate or consumers will see in the next few years.

The "final rule" linked to in the article is for automatic emergency braking, which must be standard in new vehicles starting in 2029. It has nothing to do with impaired driver detection.

Section 24220 of the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act does direct NHTSA to develop a standard for impaired driving detection. NHTSA has already missed the 2024 deadline and still has nothing more than than an advanced notice of proposed rulemaking that identifies the technologies and methods they're considering.

A "final rule" is likely still years away, and automakers will have years after that before incorporation in new vehicles becomes mandatory. And that assumes the political will/funding for the regulation activity remains in place through another half dozen years of federal budgetary turmoil.

That's just great - now we'll have to find something else to be OUTRAGED at.

Where's Protron?

 

[MotoGary]

Simply put, helping people stay informed is worth the clickbait.

I can't say I agree with this. When we are being intentionally misled just to capture our attention for clicks, the truth suffers and I don't think the tradeoff is worth it. But that's another topic we'd need to have a friendly debate about over breakfast.

 

[Shrink36s]

I can't say I agree with this. When we are being intentionally misled just to capture our attention for clicks, the truth suffers and I don't think the tradeoff is worth it. But that's another topic we'd need to have a friendly debate about over breakfast.

Mmmm, breakfast 🤤

 

[JustChris]

Part of the appeal for me to get a Slate is the absence of surveillance tech. If I find out I'm being tracked unnecessarily by this company, I'm 100% out. I'll keep driving my 2016 ice car, whose 3G communication package is dead.

I'm not interested in being monitored any more than I already am. This is nonnegotiable to me.

 

[ElectricShitbox]

For some odd reason the OnStar in my GM product suddenly stopped working.

 

[E90400K]

Interesting. I'm a big proponent of the government not tracking its citizens. But all of us let private companies track us, be it the tech company/manufacturer we have a cell phone account with, or our credit card accounts with, or the manufacturer of our modern vehicle that has data collection and reporting capabilities.

I came to a recent dilemma though. I bought a new motorcycle that has a safety feature, which will automatically call authorities in case I am in an accident and injured and cannot respond to an emergency call to the bike to check on my condition. As is understandable, chances are with a motorcycle accident the rider may not be conscious or able to call for emergency help if he needs it. Having the bike automatically do this could save my life. The caveat is I need my cell phone location app activated for the system to accurately know where I am (assuming there is cell coverage). I normally do not keep my cell phone location active but turn it on when riding only. The bike integrates the cell phone into the bike's navigation system. I think this is a great feature at this point in my riding career, and I can tell you my wife (who no longer rides with me) really appreciates the system.

However, I do keep the modem in my 2022 Ford turned off. LOL.